#indiewebcamp 2014-08-22

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kylewm
!tell aaronpk p3k doesn't seem to recognize my like-ofs, any idea why? http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/08/15/1/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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notenoughneon.com
edited /Neonblog (+32) "add screenshot"
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notenoughneon.com
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@jimgroom
@withknown @zachwhalen How about that for support? Check out web mention protocol for distributed commenting. http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/502634039816486913)
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mattl
a shruggie?
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benwerd
Struggling with sessions in Chrome vs Firefox on redirect. It's like Chrome is obeying some rule that I don't understand - I'm redirecting between two sites and it's not behaving as I would expect
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 10 hours ago: want to start gathering ideas/thoughts on IndieWebCamp DC here? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/DC
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kylewm
mattl: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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mattl
ohhhhh
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mattl
benwerd: chrome has some weird internal cache thing too... make sure you flush everything and run it in incognito
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benwerd
mm, I can't ask my users to run in incognito mode. It's so weird. I set a session and redirect - and on FF that's a-ok. On Chrome it doesn't work at all. But unreliably depending on situation. So I'm confused; guess I'm not seeing the pattern.
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mattl
if you bring devtools and then click on the gear, you can disable all those caches. it'll help you debug it.
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mattl
what happens in say... Lynx/
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benwerd
I .. hadn't tried Lynx
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benwerd
Trying now ;)
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mattl
maybe i'm weird but i still try a lot of stuff in lynx
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KevinMarks
devtools, network tab, check disable cache
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benwerd
So I'm slightly wrong: it's the Twitter OAuth workflow. Works beautifully in FF. In Chrome, I get a 401 error from Twitter. Encoding issue, I wonder? I'm baffled.
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snarfed
benwerd: can you auth w/other twitter apps?
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KevinMarks
I added IndieWeb to crunchbase (as I was updating other things there) go add yourselves
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KevinMarks
hm, does safari behave?
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benwerd
snarfed: so your page _does_ behave.
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benwerd
which means it's just the twitter known plugin. :''''(
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snarfed
benwerd: hrmph
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KevinMarks
do you have another php app that uses the same library to compare?
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mattl
benwerd: are you sending the right headers?
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mattl
KevinMarks: added myself.
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KevinMarks
snarfed: bridgy bug report of a sort - I twetted a link to http://epeus.blogspot.com/2011/12/facebook-twitter-and-google-plus-shun.html
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KevinMarks
it didn't post my tweet as a comment, but 'I' did post all the retweets and faves
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KevinMarks
because it posts the comments as me, it makes me a look a bit obsessive
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mattl
oh, KevinMarks they let nonprofits doing something similar too
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KevinMarks
could bridgy be added as an author to the blog to post the comments?
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snarfed
KevinMarks: thanks! both true, and both expected (and not ideal) right now
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KevinMarks
I'll add bridgy as an author
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mattl
i also just followed a bunch of you with the CC corporate account ;)
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snarfed
KevinMarks: i don't entirely follow, but i'm looking forward to seeing the result
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KevinMarks
the point is that you have to be a twitter approved corporate person to post html
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mattl
i think you might need to be in the twitter ads program
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snarfed
KevinMarks_: also, the reason it doesn't send a webmention for your own original tweet is https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51
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snarfed
it's an intentional product decision right now, but not a strong one. could be reconsidered
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KevinMarks_
Interestingly, crunchbase requires a silo login as well as an email to edit
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KevinMarks_
It's almost indieauth
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KevinMarks_
Snarfed could you compare the text of the tweet to the post?
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snarfed
KevinMarks_: hoo boy. that way lie dragons
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KevinMarks_
Your assumption is that it is a POSSE tweet, but it's often effectively a retweet or comment
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snarfed
KevinMarks_: right. i definitely know that's true for many tweets. i just don't have a good way to distinguish
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snarfed
at least, a way that's not a crazy rabbit hole that never ends
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KevinMarks_
Mine are often what people call a linkslap
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snarfed
funny term. new to me
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snarfed
feel free to weigh in on that issue if you feel strongly or have ideas!
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KevinMarks_
Isn't one of the parsing rules to compare text
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snarfed
you mean, if the tweet is the same text as the post, or a prefix, then you assume it's posse, otherwise not?
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snarfed
sadly that doesn't work for me. i often posse longer posts with a pithy twitter-specific teaser
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KevinMarks_
If it contains any other twitter entities than the post link it is probably a link slap
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KevinMarks_
Thing is, if you get replies they may be to the teaser, as a lot of people don't read the article
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snarfed
KevinMarks_: right. all true…and kind of goes to my point. it's all shades of gray. it's hard to find a heuristic that's good in all cases
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snarfed
the commits attached to the issue i mentioned somewhat address this. they demote many links in bridgy webmentions to mentions instead of replies/likes/etc
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@kevinmarks
"@timoni: @jimray @buzz Let's create our own open-source version! We could charge a smallish amount, like, what, $50 a year?" #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502679215896928257)
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@kevinmarks
@anildash @captainhurst @davemorin I think we've learned a lot by implementing #indieweb while you hand-wring vaguely
(twitter.com/_/status/502685679357145088)
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kylewm
KevinMarks: what does adding bridgy as a co-author on your blogspot do?
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KevinMarks
At the moment it looks like I'm obsessively commenting on each fave
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kylewm
ah, so it would be nice if it said: "Bridgy says: so and so favorited this on twitter"
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KevinMarks
If bridgy were doing it, it would be clearer
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kylewm
so I do think posting comments as the author is a non-starter for a lot of people
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kylewm
I suspect snarfed was concerned about being rate limited eventually, if one account was posting lots of automated posts on lots of blogs
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: didn't expect Anil Dash to be quite so dismissive about "decentralised social networks"...
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@scott_gruber
@nimirea_: The Perfect CMS http://t.co/BUFgN9x3tI” nice post about decision. I respect intent to keep http://indiewebcamp.com values too.
(twitter.com/_/status/502694079021346817)
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indie-visitor
I am new to using this chat and the indie web as well :) I am curious if anyone can read this and is around. I have an idea/site that I am interested in sharing and seeing what people think.
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KartikPrabhu
hi indie-visitor
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KartikPrabhu
you can change your name by writing /nick yourname
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KartikPrabhu
err name being nick name on chat
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indie-visitor
Like this? /ryan
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KartikPrabhu
indie-visitor: no use /nick ryan
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indie-visitor
Test /nick Ryan
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KartikPrabhu
without the Test :P
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ryan020
Whoops it said that was registered so I changed it again, but I think all is well now. Thanks for the help!
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KartikPrabhu
ryan020: welcome then :)
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ryan020
So I am a newbie to the indie web and I am not super techie with web development. As I stumbled on the indie web for the first time I noticed I had to search around for blog posts or articles regarding it. I thought that there should be a site that linked to all these types of posts regarding the indie web... Thinking it would be nice, ya know? So I registered a domain and begin getting a wordpress blog set-up. Plans were and ar
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ryan020
During development of it I notice theindieweb.com was available so I grabbed it. That is we're the site is hosted now. It's live. Of course I am planning to add more posts, but I wanted to see what people thought of the idea. I don't want to muddy the waters or anything.
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KartikPrabhu
ryan020: you have seen http://indiewebcamp.com/ yes? It is a wiki and it is a live documentation of ideas that people have implemented or plan to
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kylewm
ryan020: your first post cut off after "plans were and are"
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ryan020
After that, the first post said... To continue to update it. Did the second post come through?
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KevinMarks
Friendsplus.me is a PESATAS service for Google+
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KartikPrabhu
ryan020: yes, the second one did come through. There is a char-limit on each post
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ryan020
@kartik yes I have seen it. Although it took some looking around to find the the section where there are links to post, articles and videos. And for some people it's just easier if one site focuses on one thing. And I think articles, post and videos are important and potentially have the need to be signaled out and done the way I have planned to. Make sense?
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KartikPrabhu
ryan020: i don't think people here will object to you collecting articles about the indieweb on your own site. But as a curiosity, why not just attempt to improve the wiki? the wiki is supposed to cater to new comers also
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ryan020
I think the content I am talking about can teach somebody what the indie web is in general and keep them updated on it. If I were to send certain people I know here, I feel they would get the feeling this isn't for them or something. I say that only because here is a lot of development talk here. It seems more for the makers. I
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ryan020
It's really debatable. And I guess we will see lol. I just don't want people here to feel like there's a problem with me doing. I don't think that would be good.
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KartikPrabhu
it most likely won't be an issue but of course I can't speak for everyone :P
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ryan020
I understand :). Thank you for the feedback.
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elliottucker
benward_: had the same problem with Twitter plugin yesterday, yes, needed to clear everything for it to work in Chrome. Spent a bit trying to debug but it's all SSL. Worked in the end so I'm keeping quiet.
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techlifeweb
ryan020: You can skim the irc logs for links to things that are going on. They are updated in real time: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today . Lots of it is developer speak but its a great way to learn.
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ryan020
techlifeweb: Cool. Thank you.
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@matemaz
Pas mal créer des ISP indépendants et locaux, exemple á suivre http://tetaneutral.net #redecentralize #indieweb #indietech cc: @nitot
(twitter.com/_/status/502798309086740480)
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JarOfGreen
Hello from Scotland! I'm working on an Open Source group calendar project that may be of interest to the indieweb community and wandered if anyone wanted to chat?
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@OffBeatMammal
@kevinmarks is there a muppets guide to #indieweb yet? I use WordPress and twitter but like the idea of owning my destiny better
(twitter.com/_/status/502822569574404096)
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JarOfGreen
It's a calendar wiki for groups and communities to use, http://ican.openacalendar.org/ The software is already in use in several areas and doing well, got shortlisted for award up in Scotland! Anyway, if anyone is curious happy to chat, contact details on site
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pdurbin
JarOfGreen: neat!
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JarOfGreen
Thanks :-)
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tantek
JarOfGreen cool! do you have an example of an event permalink page?
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tantek
JarOfGreen: cool! would you consider adding h-event markup to the event info and h-card for the venue? http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event and http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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tantek
!tell KevinMarks where is the original of that tweet about "A prototype is worth a thousand meetings"? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/502685874245476353
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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JarOfGreen
Can I add that and be compatible with Schema markup? If so then yeah ... I've never been opposed to microformats in general, I was just never sure which ones are the best to use :-/
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tantek
JarOfGreen: yes you can use both if you like no problem.
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tantek
there are folks here with experience with both too, e.g. KartikPrabhu (he's often around).
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JarOfGreen
cool. so is that the most popular one to use you reckon? I'll make a quick issue on https://github.com/OpenACalendar/OpenACalendar-Web-Core
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JarOfGreen
I have wanted to add Microformats because the idea makes sense to me, just never been sure which ones ...
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@nobantu
Final hours of EarlyBird ticket's 4 #IIW XIX #19 (Oct 27-30) https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #internetidentityworkshop #VRM #IRM #IoT #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502839642438500352)
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@windley
Final hours of EarlyBird ticket's 4 #IIW XIX (Oct 27-30) http://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #internetidentityworkshop #identity #VRM #IRM #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502839915868979200)
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@idworkshop
Final hours of EarlyBird ticket's 4 #IIW XIX (Oct 27-30) http://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #internetidentityworkshop #identity #VRM #IRM #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502839915852222464)
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Loqi
aaronpk: kylewm left you a message on 8/21 at 5:05pm: p3k doesn't seem to recognize my like-ofs, any idea why? http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/08/15/1/
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aaronpk
kylewm: hm I think probably because I'm only looking for a like-of property that is a URL
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kylewm
aaronpk: we were talking about bridgy's "webmentions for blogs" feature and how it backfeeds comments to blogspot by posting a comment as the blog author https://www.brid.gy/about#user
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kylewm
so it would say "Kevin Marks says... @aaronpk retweeted this on twitter", as if he were obsessively commenting about himself
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jonnybarnes
cool, so I can connect to znc from linux and it just works :)
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jonnybarnes
does anyone know any decent js libraries to save textarea content with localstorage?
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jonnybarnes
preferably one that doesnt depend on jquery
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Loqi
KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 57 minutes ago: where is the original of that tweet about "A prototype is worth a thousand meetings"? https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/502685874245476353
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aaronparecki.com
edited /p3k (+62) "/* Features */ instagram and xkcd auto-embed now"
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snarfed
morning indiewebcamp!
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KartikPrabhu
!tell tantek: did you see this: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408688462923 and the following chat with ryan020 ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: sounds like http://news.indiewebcamp.com/ , and it maybe just needs more coverage
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: his claim seemed to be that indiewebcamp has too much dev talk for beginners
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aaronpk
i'd actually be curious to revisit news.indiewebcamp.com now
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aaronpk
right now the only way to get a post there is if the author submits it
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: the news site, not the wiki :P (maybe similar problem though)
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aaronpk
but that's not how the wiki page for posts about the indieweb works
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: yeah... if you despise dev talk then indiewebcamp seems very opaque
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aaronpk
oh hey maybe I should be able to post other people's stuff to indienews by making a post on my site that links to their post
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: just to confirm, you do mean news.indiewebcamp? not the wiki?
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: both! maybe even IRC
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snarfed
aaronpk: agreed! i vaguely remember a proposal to add a form where you could input any url and add it
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aaronpk
well that just turns it into hackernews
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: maybe have a common form that pushes to both?
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aaronpk
I still want it to encourage more "indie" behavior
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snarfed
aaronpk: the meaningful difference is probably the community, more than the submission process or plumbing
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snarfed
yeah, it's a balance between that and the high bar that causes low coverage
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KartikPrabhu
alright gtg meeting
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aaronpk
you know, a simple solution to this is to add a link to http://indiewebcamp.com/posts_about_the_indieweb in the wiki sidebar
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snarfed
a form would be similar to some people's hybrid comment form on their own blog posts: "did you mention this post? input your URL here"
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snarfed
hmm maybe
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aaronparecki.com
edited /p3k (+621) "/* Storage */ add sample post"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /p3k (+447) "/* Example Post */ add event"
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kylewm
aaronpk: "Posts about the indieweb" is already the first link in the sidebar, no?
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aaronpk
hahaha wow
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Loqi
ahahaha
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kylewm
fascinating that someone was asking about a Disqus plugin for Known
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@zachwhalen
@withknown Do you have any recommendations for integrating @disqus?
(twitter.com/_/status/502631871751421952)
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snarfed
i know it's the minority opinion here, and it's easy to conflate with silo hate (e.g. disqus)…but i do still like native, form-based commenting
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snarfed
so i can empathize
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aaronpk
what do you like about it?
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aaronpk
and from the comment author or blog author perspective?
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snarfed
from both perspectives. i like it because i still get a steady trickle of useful/positive comments from random people
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aaronpk
interesting. I found that on most of my more popular articles, I was just getting really bad and annoying comments.
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aaronpk
even when I switched to facebook comments which cut out all the spam, they were just not useful comments
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snarfed
aaronpk: oh sure. definitely a tradeoff, and site owners can decide for themselves
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aaronpk
I wonder what it is about my posts that were getting different kinds of comments
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snarfed
eh, it's largely the usual internet commenting debate. my posts are usually either personal, purely functional (like those two), or kinda abstract essays, none of which really incite emotional responses
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snarfed
more importantly, you probably have more readers than me :P
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kylewm
fwiw i don't hate disqus because it's a silo, i hate it because it's slow and frequently broken :)
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@kevinmarks
@OffBeatMammal the irc is a good place to ask questions. There are WordPress plugins and bridgy to connect twitter http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Adding_Indieweb_Support.2FElements_to_a_Wordpress_Site
(twitter.com/_/status/502885198019584001)
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KevinMarks
Known will let you create an account and comment by posting, though that is not obvious (and not ideal)
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mowens.com
edited /website-analytics (+1896) "/* Adds Mixpanel, New Relic, and Twitter Analytics to the list. Adds links to services. Adds mowens.com as examples of usage. */"
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KevinMarks
I may turn that on and see how it works
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KevinMarks_
reminder from yesterday: I made indieweb on crunchbase - add yourselves. (part fo the point is that this gets linked from techcrunch stories as a source of info) http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/indieweb
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KevinMarks_
maybe we need an indieweb page on there too
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aaronpk
nooooo
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aaronpk
we're not raising money for indieweb, that doesn't make sense
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KevinMarks_
it's also used a map of who's doing what
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mko
Uh. What?
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mko
Oh. That reminds me. Who is in charge of the IndieWeb org on GitHub?
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aaronpk
a few of us
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mko
Can you add me (mko) to it?
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mko
Thanks. :-)
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aaronpk
done! you'll need to make your membership public if you want it to show the indieweb logo on your github
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mko
Interesting. I didn't realize you had to manually make Orgs public. I thought the default was Public.
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aaronpk
yeah it's bit me a couple times, we use org membership for access control for a few things at esri, but it doesn't even show up to apps using the API unless you're a public member
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mko
That's obnoxious.
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KevinMarks_
so, in the spirit of experimentation, I'm turned on registration at http://known.kevinmarks.com to see how that works for commenting
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@jennie
Talking POSSE and #indieweb with a great group of Indigenous Culture Media Innovations peeps - all generations and so much nodding.
(twitter.com/_/status/502904008873619457)
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@kevinmarks
RT @jennie: Talking POSSE and #indieweb with a great group of Indigenous Culture Media Innovations peeps - all generations and so much nodd…
(twitter.com/_/status/502904149906694144)
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KartikPrabhu
ha! KevinMarks_ the default placeholder name in the known registration form is Henri Matisse! :)
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KevinMarks_
if you register, you see a comment form.
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks_ would be cool to just sign in using IndieAuth and comment
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KevinMarks_
yeah, wrting that as an issue now
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KevinMarks_
if you do comment and send a webmention, it will show up
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KartikPrabhu
yeah I have done that before :)
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KevinMarks_
the challenge is the UX of that inline
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@elliottucker
@benwerd a pleasure, glad to be of help. Have just written up my experiences of setting up Known with Nginx. http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502909706491691009)
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@fdevillamil
Was told #indieweb was a first world problem today because of the amount of technical knowledge and resources it needs. Will blog about it.
(twitter.com/_/status/502909747612635136)
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kylewm
KevinMarks_: tried making a local comment here: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/trying-out-the-known-version-of-indieweb#comments interesting (and sensible) that it has its own permalink
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SRCR
is know available for download already ?
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KartikPrabhu
SRCR: it has a github repo form which you can download and install it
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KartikPrabhu
SRCR: here's the link if you are interested: https://github.com/idno/
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@withknown
If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502913840984498177)
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@benwerd
RT @withknown: If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502913911591407617)
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@JockelLohkamp
thx @kirilind for sharing @t 's video on the Once and Future #IndieWeb https://www.youtube.com/ #GETDBerlin @GOTOber @Gatesense_IoT #P2P #IoT
(twitter.com/_/status/502914154383278080)
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SRCR
elliottucker: Your side is that 'Known'
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SRCR
s/side/site/
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Loqi
SRCR meant to say: elliottucker: Your site is that 'Known'
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SRCR
so the answer is yes ?
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@bear
RT @withknown: If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502915197385048064)
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elliottucker
Sorry...what was the question?
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SRCR
your site is that known
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elliottucker
Is my site running on Known? Yes, it is.
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KartikPrabhu
SRCR: yes... answering for elliottucker :P
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SRCR
:D
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SRCR
I have tried idno before, but that was several months ago, I think I should try it again..
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KartikPrabhu
idno is the same as known. they rebranded for reasons...
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SRCR
I know, but it is evolved right in the last view months ?
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KartikPrabhu
SRCR: yeah possibly... I'm not a php guy so haven't been keeping up with the details of known
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@jmartinstw
RT @withknown: If you want to use Known on nginx, Elliot Tucker has written a great tutorial: http://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/502916252160237568)
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SRCR
I know the feeling :) I have many ideas in my head about a cool Indieweb site, but I'm to dumb/lazy/lack of attention span to create it
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KartikPrabhu
SRCR: I do make stuff just not in php :P
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mko
Yeah. I abandoned PHP about 6 years ago. Have barely looked back since.
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mko
I do think it's still the easiest thing for mass audiences to set up for their own website, though.
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mko
But, you know, selfdogfooding and all is why I chose Node.js :-)
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KartikPrabhu
mko: you mean PHP-based things like Wordpress and Known
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SRCR
I can do everything, but only at beginners level and because I lack a complete vocabulari (please correct this one Loqi) in any language it takes me aged.
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Loqi
dude
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KartikPrabhu
PHP itself I doubt is mass audience friendly
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KartikPrabhu
SRCR: doing is a good way to learn
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KartikPrabhu
I learnt python by making my website
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KartikPrabhu
didn't know a word of python before that
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mko
KartikPrabhu: I specifically mean getting a server set up with PHP so you can run PHP-based things like WordPress, Known, or whatnot is the easiest type of server configuration for most people to get set up.
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elliottucker
PHP is still good for websites as it has so many html generating shortcuts. Not a fan though. So hideous.
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KartikPrabhu
mko: is it because server/hosting services have optimised it with one-click install and such?
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mko
KartikPrabhu: Absolutely.
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SRCR
True, my current site is in Craft CMS, that looks very promissing, enough room to play with but not really coding..
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mko
KartikPrabhu: Most "hosting server" configurations come preinstalled with LAMP (anecdotally, at least).
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KartikPrabhu
mko: it would seem Node.js based services are catching up though
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elliottucker
Just realised I forgot a major part in my Nginx post. It doesn't work without code change! To the updates!
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mko
KartikPrabhu: Yes, but not in pricing. You can basically get a LAMP server for sub-$100/year while most of the Node.js services are around $20/mo at the low end.
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KartikPrabhu
aah. true
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rascul
$5/month lamp pre installed at digitalcoean
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elliottucker
you can't beat DO.
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rascul
sure you can, depending on your needs
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kylewm
SRCR: I believe ShaneHudson is working on a Craft plugin
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SRCR
rascul meant to say: 5/month lamp pre installed at digitalocean
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SRCR
eat that Loqi ;)
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SRCR
Is that the webmention plugin
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SRCR
?
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mko
DigitalOcean is one of the better Node.js hosts as well, I believe. It's just a bit involved in order to get Node.js set up for a novice user (i.e. a one-clicker).
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mko
Heroku can be pretty solid, too, as it is sub $10/mo for some personal websites
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rascul
all distros digitalocean provides can install node.js with a single command
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mko
Oh? When did they add that functionality, rascul?
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rascul
it's not a digitalocean functionality
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rascul
login to your vps, apt-get install nodejs
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mko
Lol. Yeah. That's more involved than your average one-clicker can do.
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rascul
digitalocean isn't suitable for said one-clickers
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KevinMarks_
the heroku guys were joking about how ruby was more profitable for them than node, because ruby users always seemed to need more dynos
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rascul
KevinMarks_ some numbers on that might be interesting to see
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KevinMarks_
rascul: this was anecdotal, though I've had lightweight node things up on there or a while with a single free dyno and not been billed anything
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rascul
i've not been billed anything for my python stuff i had there either
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rascul
i prefer openshift though, except that it takes longer to deploy
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rascul
deploy as in the stuff it does when you 'git push'
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rascul.io
edited /web_hosting (+40) "/* Platform as Service */ add openshift to paas list"
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kylewm
KevinMarks: do you have enough traffic to keep your dyno running?
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kylewm
on heroku
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KevinMarks_
not sure how to tell
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kylewm
anything i've run on there takes about 15 seconds to spin up every time i access it
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KevinMarks_
thing is a static node site spins up pretty fast anyway
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rascul
KevinMarks_ have you used dokku?
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kylewm
ah, yeah i bet that makes a difference
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KevinMarks_
my site is really static hosting; I should just throw it on S3 or google cloud
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KevinMarks_
(I did try but s3 is such a pain to config that this is easier
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KevinMarks_
pasting various XML and JSON incantations into fields that don't validate anything
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KevinMarks_
then the posting API is a similar black art
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kylewm
I had a similarly miserable experience trying to host a Pelican site on S3
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kylewm
think I got it eventually to work but it felt very fragile :)
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rascul
github pages can be good for free static hosting
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KevinMarks_
I was configuring a static site yesterday, and despite having exactly the same thing a day before I still had 3 tries at getting it to resolve
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rascul
moon probably wasn't at the proper angle to reflect light into the window at just the right spot to enable your site to resolve
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KevinMarks_
what was that about "do it by hand until it hurts"
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rascul
no, don't
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rascul
carpal tunnel isn't good
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KevinMarks_
note arbitary sub steps and links out to very long pages that generate XML for you in unclear ways
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KevinMarks_
things that page doesn't say:
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KevinMarks_
pasting DNS hosts in wiht trailing dots or spaces will probably silently fail
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KevinMarks_
pasting CNAME redirection in with trailing / or leading http:// will also silently faile
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rascul
i was never fond of amazon interfaces
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KevinMarks_
each of these mistakes will require a DNS TTL timeout to fix
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KevinMarks_
so you get one edit every 5 minutes
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tantek_
good day #indiewebcamp!
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Loqi
tantek_: KartikPrabhu left you a message 3 hours, 39 minutes ago: did you see this: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-21/line/1408688462923 and the following chat with ryan020 ?
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rascul
tantek_ it is now that i'm off work!
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kylewm
wow, Loqi doesn't let you use _ to duck tells anymore!
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Loqi
is done
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: great that someone wants to curate their own set of articles about the indieweb!
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tantek.com
edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+15) "in case you're looking for "Posts" or "Videos" about the indieweb and don't semantically associate that with "News""
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tantek
"it took some looking around to find the the section where there are links to post, articles and videos" lol - really? the first link in the sidebar not obvious enough? alrighty, I'll add ", Posts, Videos" to make it more obvious.
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: yeah I was very confused about the claims
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kylewm
people may be conditioned to ignore "News" (or sidebars in general?) from many project pages with rarely/poorly updated news pages
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kylewm
so +1 for adding other descriptors
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bret.io
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+11) "/* RSVP */ See ya there"
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tantek
kylewm meh - the sidebars are short enough, people can take the time to skim them.
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tantek
btw - this is a common "novice" design error: "And for some people it's just easier if one site focuses on one thing. And I think articles, post and videos are important and potentially have the need to be signaled[sic] out"
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tantek
what it really means is: "For *me* it's just easier if *a new site I find* focuses on one thing. And the *next thing* *I* need right now is to see articles, post and videos"
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tantek
and then when they master those, or get caught up on those, then their priorities change, and they stop maintaining their single purpose site
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tantek
continuing from ryan020: "[t]here is a lot of development talk here. It seems more for the makers." both of these are true.
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tantek
that's the point we're at right now, and we should not be ashamed of that but rather admit it freely and openly, recognize it, and provide a glimmer of hope by linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/generations
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tantek
!tell ryan020 looking forward to seeing your blog about useful indieweb articles! please share your URL here when you start posting to it.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
with any luck, perhaps we can help ryan020 turn his blog from intro indieweb articles, into a saga of his own learning about and building/deploying his own indieweb presence.
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@Bali_Maha
@schnarfed sorry if this is supposed to be obvious: does installing indieweb plugin enable bridgy automatically if i connected via twitter?
(twitter.com/_/status/502930035091980288)
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snarfed
tantek: looks like it's http://theindieweb.com/
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tantek
snarfed, ah, he's started posting - cool. hopefully he'll update his twitter and facebook sidebar links to link to his profile instead of just their top level
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: it would have been beter if ryan020 had maintained a curated list as a page on his own domain
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tantek
at least he's blogging on an indie domain - that's a good start!
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: not fair to compare a new person starting out with adactio!
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: oh no. I meant as an example of curated list page on own blog
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KartikPrabhu
of course not comparing them :P
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tantek
we should be very encouraging of new people starting *anything* on their own domain, however simple.
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tantek
and then help them walk through whatever itches *they* want to scratch for *themselves*
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KartikPrabhu
i tried to not sound discouraging though I am sceptical
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tantek
hmm - in scrolling through today's logs, it is quite techie / dev-lost-in-the-weeds
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tantek
KevinMarks: all the stuff about aws, DNS, CNAM, TTL etc. is so opaque (and most of the time irrelevant!)
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tantek
what is aws?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "aws" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=aws
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tantek
what is DNS?
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Loqi
DNS is an abbreviation for Domain Name Server and often used to refer to the configuring thereof http://indiewebcamp.com/dns
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tantek
ok good
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tantek
what is a CNAME?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "CNAME" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=CNAME
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tantek
what is TTL?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "TTL" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=TTL
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tantek
KevinMarks ^^^ homework assignment. Let's try to de-mystify discussions here a bit by at least providing simple short definitions of the terms used.
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tantek
anyone going to or have any info on this? http://ouishare.net/en/events/getd Berlin 2014-09-17..19 GetDecentralized Summit & Hackathon
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tantek.com
edited /Events (+100) "/* 2014 */ add found etherpad notes for Décentralisation du Net"
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aaronpk
finding it way easier to catch up on #indiewebcamp logs on the web page now rather than in my IRC client
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pdurbin
aaronpk: I've been meaning to ask you how to get my avatar to show up in the logs
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aaronpk
pdurbin: add your photo here! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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pdurbin
aaronpk: 128px square, looks like. thanks
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aaronpk
anything will work
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aaronpk
it just uses the URL, doesn't do any fancy caching/resizing or anything
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@schnarfed
@Bali_Maha bridgy finds your WP links in your tweets and sends responses to them. the indieweb plugin receives and displays those responses.
(twitter.com/_/status/502940168764940288)
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tantek
congratulations aaronpk, you've out-built your IRC client :)
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greptilian.com
edited /IRC_People (+62) "/* Nicknames */ added image for pdurbin"
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@Bali_Maha
@schnarfed ok cool.but where does the indieweb plugin display them?
(twitter.com/_/status/502941258286125058)
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pdurbin
has added an image... waits
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aaronpk
wait 5 minutes
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@Bali_Maha
@schnarfed btw the indieweb plugin says it is enabled but i don't see it on the side in admin view.should i be able to see it?
(twitter.com/_/status/502941683110404096)
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tantek.com
edited /IRC_People (+201) "FAQ: Why is my image not in the logs"
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pdurbin
nice. it's there already. thanks, tantek
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tantek
sigh, rotation
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tantek.com
edited /Facebook (+156) "/* Criticism */ Is Boring"
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tantek.com
created /button (+21) "r"
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tantek.com
edited /Nginx (+265) "silo examples, instagram "native iOS app" actually uses nginx"
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tantek.com
edited /Nginx (+4) "/* Silo Examples */ linky"
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tantek.com
edited /Instagram (+206) "/* Downtime */ 2014-08-22 various times throughout the day - "news" activity down"
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-08-27-homebrew-website-club (+99) "/* URLs */ add SF indie event and FB posse copy"
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aaronpk
oh dear. the indiearchive problem with folders and directories has cropped up again
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tantek
is that documented as an "Issue" on /indiearchive ?
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aaronpk
not yet, just in IRC yesterday
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kylewm
aaronpk: you have a case where there is different content at /path and /path/ ?
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tantek
Kylewm the wiki. Eg /2014 and /2014/
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KevinMarks_
!tell benwerd the POSSEd HWC has today's date
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
kylewm: yes
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aaronpk
you got around it on your site by using plural for the list view and singular for permalinks
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aaronpk
but my URLs are things like /replies and /replies/2014.....
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kylewm
ohh ok i didn't understand the problem before
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tantek
KevinMarks: Posse copy fixed. Thanks.
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aaronpk
kylewm: your site is looking really good
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aaronpk
oh hey just noticed you're using esri maps too!
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kylewm
aaronpk: aw, thanks so much! :D
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tantek
What are maps?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "maps" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=maps
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tantek
What is ESRI?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ESRI" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=ESRI
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aaronpk
tantek is planting seeds
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aaronpk
kylewm: what's the difference between "stream" and "everything"? is "stream" like your primary or featured posts?
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KevinMarks_
yesterday I found out that facebook wants jpeg's that are 851x315 Clearly they never got that multiple of 16 thing
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kylewm
aaronpk: Stream doesn't have likes, bookmarks, or replies (unless i explicitly unhide them)
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aaronpk
i'm reconsidering my home page to be more like a "stream" rather than just my notes
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aaronpk
i'm imagining being able to put anything into my main stream, so I could show checkins there, or bookmarks, runs, etc
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aaronpk
and then also other peoples' posts, which turns out looking like a repost