#indiewebcamp 2014-08-05

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tantek
benwerd, what is scrobbling?
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@benwerd
@oxfordgeeks Do you know what day OGN in December will be on, and are you at all interested in an #indieweb talk?
(twitter.com/_/status/496447003807604736)
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bret
yay, jekyll completly fucked over my urls
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Loqi
[@evanpro] RT @benwerd: @tef I feel like this is somewhere #indieweb is useful
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Loqi
why aren't we scrobbling to our own sites? (http://twtr.io/pFi82uTRN8)
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Loqi
[@hellekin] RT @benwerd: @tef I feel like this is somewhere #indieweb is useful
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Loqi
why aren't we scrobbling to our own sites? (http://twtr.io/pFiPpmrPoG)
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tantek.com
moved /scrobbling to /scrobble "singular noun"
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tantek.com
edited /scrobble (+374) "dfns, group headings, see also"
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tantek
what is scrobbling?
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Loqi
A scrobble is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track) that you have listened to http://indiewebcamp.com/scrobbling
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tantek.com
created /scrobbles (+22) "r"
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 12 minutes ago: could you stub a /marginalia page so we can ask Loqi what is marginalia?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: is marginalia not just a redirect to /annotation ?
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /annotation (+18) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ updated to full site implementation"
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: marginalia is a *very* specific type of annotation
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KartikPrabhu
suggestions for what to add?
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tantek
according to annotation advocates, everything is an annotation ;)
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KartikPrabhu
as it stands the definition of annotation on /annotation is very specific and is exactly what marginalia is
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KartikPrabhu
so one would have to change the /annotation dfn to match those of the "annotation advocates" ( annads for short ) and then move the real dfn to /marginalia
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: I suggest focusing on concrete specific annotations like marginalia
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tantek
rather than the generic term
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tantek
since the generic term is so overloaded as to almost be useless
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KartikPrabhu
so just scrap the /annotation page and make it /marginalia?
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tantek
shakes fist at Google for making search worse this year
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KartikPrabhu
ha! I am also looking for w3c dfn of annotation
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: "An Annotation is considered to be a set of connected resources, typically including a body and target, where the body is somehow about the target. The full model supports additional functionality, enabling semantic annotations, embedding content, selecting segments of resources, choosing the appropriate representation of a resource and providing styling hints for consuming clients." from http://www.openannotat
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tantek
yes it is another name for "about"
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tantek
so, yes, useless
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KartikPrabhu
had never realised that annads do define annotation as anything
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KartikPrabhu
"set of connected resources" you mean the Web ?
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tantek
resorts to local text file search
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tantek
hahaha yea
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KartikPrabhu
judas priest! ok looking for the other annotation model
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KartikPrabhu
man this: https://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/wiki/Homepage does not even have a definition of the problem statement
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: 8/11 requirements stated here: https://code.google.com/p/annotation-ontology/wiki/Requirements can be done using mf2 (with some extensions) and marginalia!
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KartikPrabhu
the only thing missing is for fragmention to refer to arbitrary type of resource instead of just text
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Loqi
KevinMarks: willnorris left you a message 3 days, 9 hours ago: I think they’re dropping the profile image from SERPs, but still showing minimal name-only authorship (http://searchengineland.com/google-plays-authorship-search-results-dropping-profile-image-google-circle-count-195163)
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Loqi
KevinMarks: gRegor` left you a message 3 days, 4 hours ago: Please have a look at /W3C and update with issues you've experienced with the login process / ToS that was discussed in chat the other day.
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KartikPrabhu
yeah did you find a name for that yet?
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tantek
hahaha no
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tantek
though some say Maslow's hammer
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tantek
and here I thought he only had a hierarchy
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KevinMarks
so, on a "link to your profiles with icons" page there are icons for twitter, facebook g+
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tantek
context?
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KevinMarks
what icon should one use for your indieweb site?
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KartikPrabhu
your indieweb logo/photo
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KevinMarks
list of founders of a company
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KevinMarks
so there's already a photo in the h-card, so using a photo would be weird
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tantek
oh like an icon meaning "blog"?
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tantek
goes back to emoji
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KartikPrabhu
doesn't a little earth/globe represent "website" ?
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tantek
🌐
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: tantek: why not a home icon for homepage
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KartikPrabhu
indiewebsite is supposed to be your internet home
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tantek
what is 🏠?
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Loqi
Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, and shows your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card http://indiewebcamp.com/%F0%9F%8F%A0
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: remember I can't see your damn emojis ;)
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KevinMarks
homepage are houses
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KevinMarks
nounprojetc make getting the svg kind annoying
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tantek
maybe it's time for a new generic indieweb icon
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kylewm
if @ is sort of a metonymy for "email address", maybe website should be //
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tantek
kylewm: except // is used for all kinds of protocols, not just http(s)
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tantek
the problem with the feed icon is that it was all about the silly waves, and nothing about the sourcer
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tantek
s/sourcer/source
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: the problem with the feed icon is that it was all about the silly waves, and nothing about the source
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tantek
((( 🌐 )))
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tantek
📡
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tantek
!tell aaronpk could you upload your webmention icon to iwc? https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/33#issuecomment-45328096
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
edited /webmention (+218) "hotlink icon"
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tantek.com
edited /webmention (+17) "-m"
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tantek.com
edited /homepage (+75) "emojicon"
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tantek
KevinMarks: what about an icon of a person?
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tantek
as in individual as in independent
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KevinMarks
that has an under construction vibe
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tantek
haha digging guy!
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KevinMarks
rembers why he dislikes CSS trying to add padding to an image
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KevinMarks
I have to wrap it in something don't I
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tantek
images just take up a certain amount of wxh
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tantek
if you add padding to it it just adds to that w or h
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tantek
as does margin
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tantek
if you can't see it doing that, put a border:1px solid red
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tantek
on it and you'll see it
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KartikPrabhu
would be easy if people used SVG
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tantek
nothing is easy with svg :P
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KartikPrabhu
[citation needed] ;)
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KevinMarks
I'm trying to float left and add some space to the right. Then i need a wrapping element?
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: you have URL? I can attempt
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KevinMarks
not on web yet :(
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KartikPrabhu
doesn't float:left margin-right:1em work?
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KevinMarks
ah, I think I need to wrap the stuff it's floeting to the left of in an element to get the margin I want
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KartikPrabhu
oh maybe display:inline or display:inline-block
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KevinMarks
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 53 karma
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tantek
KevinMarks: you don't need a wrapping element
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tantek
nor do you need to change display
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tantek
float by itself is enough
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tantek
as is margin or padding on top of that
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KevinMarks
if I add a big border they float ina weird way
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tantek
KevinMarks: it's more likely you have too many elements, or style rules than too few
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tantek
sees this a lot
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: block elements behave strangely with float margin combo iirc
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tantek
people just keep adding elements and rules until they see what they want
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KevinMarks
I need to clear the float or something?
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Loqi
float has -1 karma
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tantek
if you "need to clear" then you likely don't need/want a float!
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tantek
this is what I mean about too many style rules
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KevinMarks
I have a list of h-cards, with images in them
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KevinMarks
I want the image on the left, text on the right thing to work
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tantek
that could mean many things
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Loqi
gives KevinMarks the image on the left
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tantek
two columns
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tantek
or text wrapping underneath newspaper style
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KevinMarks
yeah I suppose so
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tantek
designing by irc is not my idea of a good time
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tantek
KevinMarks: is this for your indie web site?
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KevinMarks
no, for another site I'm working on
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tantek
is now wondering if this is generic web dev that maybe should go in #indiechat
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tantek
I mean a list of h-cards is fine
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KevinMarks
the original icon question was on topic
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tantek
e.g. if you're trying to publish /contacts
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kylewm.com
edited /nicknames-cache (-6) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ moved addressbook url"
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Loqi
giggles
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kylewm
thanks for pointing that out
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kylewm.com
edited /Red_Wind (-19) "/* Features */ correct/update datastore layout"
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KevinMarks
I get to use p-honorific-suffix yay
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Loqi
giggles
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tantek
esquire?
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KevinMarks
also apparently MPH?
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tantek
!tell gRegor` looks like recent HWC clones lost Minneapolis location and entries :/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-08-13-homebrew-website-club (+531) "add Minneapolis back in, leave in photo embed but commented out"
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@willnorris
using nginx to proxy #indieweb webmention requests offiste, while still serving a static form on the same URL: https://willnorris.com/2014/08/proxying-webmentions-with-nginx
(twitter.com/_/status/496486808859844608)
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tantek
willnorris++ for publicly documenting/blogging his works-in-progress.
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Loqi
willnorris has 9 karma
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willnorris
(still planning to add this to webmention#IndieWeb_Examples … will do that after dinner)
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tantek.com
edited /events/2014-08-13-homebrew-website-club (+235) "confirmed SF location but capacity limited"
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tantek
!tell benwerd I confirmed location for /events/2014-08-13-homebrew-website-club - smaller room @MozSF: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-08-13-homebrew-website-club#Where - could you post an Indie event and FB POSSE copy?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Strabd
@wilkieii Will you make your microblog part of the IndieWeb http://indiewebcamp.com/ ?
(twitter.com/_/status/496495281949507584)
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@Strabd
@wilkieii IndieWeb was my first exposure to microformats, so I'm curious what the reason to promote them is. Other than Tantek liking them.
(twitter.com/_/status/496499481693528064)
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willnorris.com
edited /webmention (+577) "added webmention details for willnorris.com"
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willnorris.com
edited /webmention (+170) "add previous implementation details"
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kylewm
snarfed: is there a FAQ for why bridgy doesn't include times on likes/faves?
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snarfed
kylewm: hmm i don't think so
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snarfed
we should probably add one!
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Loqi
I agree
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kylewm
pretty sure i remember it being discussed but i can't find it
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willnorris
Logi, could you add that then?
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Loqi
who, me?
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kylewm
also, does Github notify you when someone adds commits to a pull request?
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snarfed
kylewm: hmm i don't think so
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kylewm
snarfed: OK good to know, I never know whether to bump the comment thread
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snarfed
nah, i always see the comments
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kylewm
which means I need to start storing the received time of mentions somewhere, hmm...
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snarfed
kylewm: i'm about to merge the a-u pull request. ready?
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kylewm
snarfed: I'm happy if you are, but if you want me to clean up that tuple first, i'm happy to
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snarfed
kylewm: you're thinking you'd just add the result dict and rename it to CreationResult?
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snarfed
kylewm: sounds good, actually. thanks for volunteering to.
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tantek
good evening #indiewebcamp
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JonathanNeal
good evening, tantek!
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: how does one write definition ofr things like annotation on the wiki? any example page where a w3c recommedation with vague definition has been added?
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tantek
I wouldn't bother with w3c dfns
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KartikPrabhu
so what should a page titled annotation have?
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tantek
generic dfn, list of specific examples, criticism of generic mindset
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KartikPrabhu
i don't know a generic dfn that is not the same as marginalia
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tantek
what is marginalia?
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tantek
no dfn?
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KartikPrabhu
what is annotation?
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KartikPrabhu
that page has the definition of marginalia since I think they are the same
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tantek
the /marginalia page has no dfn
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I can add one but then it will the same as /annotation page.
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tantek
what is the history of these pages
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KartikPrabhu
I don't know who made marginalia. I wrote up annotation
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KartikPrabhu
hey you made marginalia tantek
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tantek
right per the !tell
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KartikPrabhu
ok then I'll move stuff from /annotation to /marginalia and leave /annotation sort of blank as I don't know what it is
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tantek
the annotation people would call all interactions annotations
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tantek
comments, reposts, likes, marginalia, edits
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KartikPrabhu
yeah so I don't want /annotation to start with "annotation is everything!"
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tantek
… about anything!
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KartikPrabhu
yeah I'll leave such edits to others. I'll write about the marginalia stuff which I know
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tantek
right - focus on the specifics, the concete
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I don't think I should move Medium's implementation to /marginalia right?
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tantek.com
edited /PHP (+596) "start troubleshooting, and session start failed"
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: yeah you should move it
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tantek
because all they do is marginalia
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KartikPrabhu
aah ok. but I think they call it annotations
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tantek
what are notes?
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Loqi
A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page http://indiewebcamp.com/notes
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon (+500) "/* Working On */ fix session start problem"
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@voxpelli
RT @willnorris: using nginx to proxy #indieweb webmention requests offiste, while still serving a static form on the same URL: https://t.co…
(twitter.com/_/status/496539816390295554)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: just to be clear "marginalia" is to mean the part-of-post level comments or my particular implementation of it?
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tantek
part-of-post level comments
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tantek
as you yourself illustrated with your opening example
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KartikPrabhu
alrighty!
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KevinMarks
I think annotation includes marginalia style and rapgenius style
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KevinMarks
ie selected words, not paragraph
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KevinMarks
which will need fragmention to insert spans to highlight
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tommorris
(My Social WG Invited Expert application was approved.)
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tantek
tommorris: nothing about "temporary or 6 months right?"
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tommorris
tantek: Not as far as I can see.
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tantek
reads up on tommorris.org and starts lolling
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tommorris
tantek: anything in particular? ;-)
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /marginalia (+3950) "added details from old annotations page"
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: ^
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KartikPrabhu
now what should I do with /annotation ?
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tantek
nicee!
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tantek
make it short and generic s- suggeated previously
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tantek
and with that good night
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Loqi
night
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KartikPrabhu
ok tantek is gone... anyone know a definition of annotation that isn't "this is everything" ?
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /annotation () "(-2368) vague definition"
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KartikPrabhu
well someone feels like improving that ^ go for it
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KevinMarks3
I just got called out via webmention by my son
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks3: badooom tshhh
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KartikPrabhu
oh he also uses known... neat!
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KevinMarks2
What is annotation?
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks2: feel free to update that page with your thoughts. The idea was that /annotation should document the more general annotations that for example w3c wants vs marginalia that has been implemented already
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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JohKo
users
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JohKo
Hello altogether, my first time. Just discovered the website today. Are there any meetings/activities in Germany/Frankfurt area already?
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barnabywalters
greetings JohKo! welcome to #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters
there was an indiewebcamp held in Berlin this year
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barnabywalters
and there are plenty of indieweb-minded people around — I personally don’t know about the Frankfurt area though
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cweiske
JohKo, i'm from leipzig
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cweiske
JohKo, pfefferle (when he's here) is from germany, but I don't know from where
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cweiske
JohKo, he's from ladenburg, which is not that far from FFM
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JohKo
nice, thanks. checked the berlin meeting, seems it was with around 8 attendees? not too bad, though ;)
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cweiske
I couldn't attend
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JohKo
I suppose best is to first setup my own page again and import all my posts from elsewhere to my domain and then become more active in this community, right?
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JohKo
Would be great to have a one-click-install-package for daus and newbees that they can easily setup their indieweb with nearly no effort..or is there something like this already?
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cweiske
not really. there are some wordpress plugins that help with indiewebification, but no one-click solutions
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JohKo
Personally, I am a coder. So it should be managable to setup all the stuff manually as documented in the wiki... ;)
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cweiske
the closest is probably withknown.com, but it's not stable/released
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barnabywalters
JohKo: setting up your own domain and importing siloed content sounds like an excellent plan!
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barnabywalters
for any given silo, there’s often a page on the wiki with details on how to import content, e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#Data_Export
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JohKo
barnabywalters: Thank you. I will truely use these ressources. Have to find a convenient way to remove dublicates resulting from syndication of my blogposts to my fb and tw feeds. ;)
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JohKo
It's a little bit of a shame that I abandoned my once setup TYPO3-based blog/website with all the nice features (in these ancient times 10 y ago). Now re-inventing the thing with modern tools.
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JohKo
cweise: thanks for the hint to withknown.com , subscribed.
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petermolnar
@JohKo you could install known, it's fairly stable but not with too many features at the moment
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petermolnar
I have it running on my host for test purposes and it's OK/not that flaky from stability
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petermolnar
careful with git pull though :)
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@coderpost
nemex.io http://beta.nemex.io/ #apps #ideas #markdown #php #app #cms #Collaboration #curate #indieweb #selfhosting #selfhosted
(twitter.com/_/status/496665523338219522)
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cuibonobo
whoa. that nemex.io app does look very sexy. a good starting point for the PHP / flat file nerds
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Loqi
gRegor`: tantek left you a message on 8/4 at 7:15pm: looks like recent HWC clones lost Minneapolis location and entries :/
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willnorris.com
edited /WordPress (-24) "Joseph's site seems to be back up now"
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kylewm
willnorris: (re that wiki edit) http://josephboyle.net/ only works for me without the https
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willnorris
kylewm: oh interesting… I’ll add back a note to that effect
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willnorris
err wait, what? it works for you *without* the https?
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willnorris
with http I get a standard nginx landing page. with https I get his real site
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rascul
i get the site with http and nothing with https
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kylewm
um... that's weird. yeah https gives me "Unable to connect", http looks like a basic wordpress install with a couple posts
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willnorris
okay, that’s really weird. lemme try a different browser
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barnabywalters
yep, I get the site as normal over http, and nothing over https too
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willnorris
huh. I even tried using lynx on my linode server and saw the same results… http => nginx landing page, https => wordpress site. Very strange. Maybe a DNS or caching issue somewhere
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cuibonobo
willnorris: it's weird that you get a nginx landing page on http. i'm seeing a wordpress site.
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cuibonobo
maybe it's an IPv6 thing?
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willnorris
I’ll sometimes see different results because I’m coming from Google’s IP space and malware will often do funny things based on IP to try and hide what it’s doing. but that’s not what’s happening here
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willnorris
cuibonobo: ah, that’s quite possible. lemme try disabling ipv6
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rascul
willnorris this might be insightful http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Rascul.io/ssl
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@ShaneHudson
@jaz_design @reasonsto Yeah I would love to go to that too, I want to do dconstruct and indiewebcamp, they are all the same week
(twitter.com/_/status/496703170010431488)
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ShaneHudson
Loqi is so nosy
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ben_thatmustbeme
Loqi can be noisy ShaneHudson, but he is very useful
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Loqi
who, me?
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ShaneHudson
nosy not noisy, watching me tweet :P but yeah 'he' is very useful!
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ben_thatmustbeme
Loqi, you just defeated my argument. see if I defend you again
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 8/4 at 2:19pm: news / bad news. remember those session start errors we were seeing on tantek.dev/falcon ? now the same errors are happening on tantek.com/falcon, but I still haven't figured out what php.ini etc. magic I need to fix it - in either (or both) place(s).
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Loqi
aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 8/4 at 6:10pm: could you upload your webmention icon to iwc? https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/33#issuecomment-45328096
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, yeah, misread that
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ben_thatmustbeme
Loqi is part spy too
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aaronpk
hmm should I hand-edit that to make it think it's more pixels?
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:webmention-logo.svg]]": try 500px version"
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell tantek. setting session.save_path doesn't fix your session_start issues?
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aaronpk
wiki is not handling that svg well
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ben_thatmustbeme
!tell tantek setting session.save_path doesn't fix your session_start issues?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:webmention-logo.svg]]": larger?"
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aaronpk
there it goes
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ben_thatmustbeme
what was the issue? too big?
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aaronpk
it thought it was 50px
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aaronpk
even though it's an svg
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aaronpk
so when i tried to embed it at 300px it came out all pixely
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tantek
SVG is a pain ;)
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Loqi
tantek: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 minutes ago: setting session.save_path doesn't fix your session_start issues?
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aaronparecki.com
edited /webmention (-139) "use wiki version of webmention logo instead of hotlinked"
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: I don't know how to set session.save_path, nor what I should set it to, nor what it was set to before my webhost switched me to a new server!
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aaronpk
I feel like on a shared server you should not be responsible for setting that
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aaronpk
(nor can you, I believe)
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tantek
shared server ?= VPS
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aaronpk
shared server != VPS
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aaronpk
VPS you get root access to a virtual server. shared server you have a bunch of people sharing the same apache/nginx process and sharing the filesystem.
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ben_thatmustbeme
is this a VPS or a shared server?
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tantek
how can I tell?
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ben_thatmustbeme
do you ssh in to it?
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tantek
I can ssh into it yes
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aaronpk
that doesn't determine whether it's a vps
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ben_thatmustbeme
not the best method, but it will work
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ben_thatmustbeme
the real question is whether you have root access or not
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ben_thatmustbeme
honestly this is really something that should be fixed by the hosting provider anyway
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: ls /home/ ls: cannot open directory /home/: Permission denied
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ben_thatmustbeme
figures. Its probably shared then
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ben_thatmustbeme
at least my best guess would be that it is
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ben_thatmustbeme
simplest solution, just start a ticket with your hosting provider
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ben_thatmustbeme
probably the safest bet too
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tantek
should I just tell them this error is new since the server transfer?
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tantek.com
edited /PHP (+124) "/* session start failed */ Possible resolutions, if you're on a shared server"
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: also, I have the exact same error on my local dev setup tantek.dev
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: which of the 3 solutions listed in http://www.shdon.com/blog/2014/05/09/php-why-might-session_start-fail-claiming-no-such-file-or-directory would you say is the best/easiest/most reliable solution for a local dev setup?
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aaronpk
yesterday p3k became a consumer of its own microformat output
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, personally I would just do solution #2 if you aren't terribly sure of it. its the simplest solution I think
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ben_thatmustbeme
since its local dev, it doesn't really matter security wise
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tantek
aaronpk++ !!! that's awesome! which feature/user-flow?
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Loqi
aaronpk has 522 karma
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aaronpk
post collections
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aaronpk
so I can create a permalink that includes several other posts
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aaronpk
both posts on aaronparecki.com but also from external sites!
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tantek
excellent!
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aaronpk
consuming my own microformats meant only one code path for embedding internal and external content
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tantek
where is php.ini?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: oh is that why you were asking about microformat rendering code?
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tantek
keeps hoping Loqi will know these things.
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Loqi
is done
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: yep!
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aaronpk
tantek: usually /etc/php.ini
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barnabywalters
tantek: php --ini will tell you
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aaronpk
barnabywalters++
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: nice! looking forward to seeing it in action
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Loqi
barnabywalters has 52 karma
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barnabywalters
notices that I am almost 10% as karmic as aaronpk
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tantek
so that I was able to check on my webhosting
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aaronpk
I'm now considering what these posts should look like when rendered in a list view
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tantek
Loaded Configuration File: /usr/local/lib/php.ini
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aaronpk
thinking about showing small versions of any photos that are included. but not sure what to do if there are no photos and just a bunch of text posts.
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: well, what’s your use case for creating collections in the first place?
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tantek
oh fascinating, seems I don't have a local php.ini!
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tantek
Loaded Configuration File: (none)
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barnabywalters
tantek: that’s a bit weird
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barnabywalters
but if it tells you what path it looked in, you can just make one there and it should work
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tantek
aaronpk re: what these posts should look like when rendered in a list view, perhaps screenshot how FB shows multiphoto posts
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, just check /etc/php or /etc/php5. some distros have a different php.ini for cli vs apache
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: two use cases. one is for multiple-photo posts, like how twitter lets you upload 4 photos into a tweet. the other was for more like stories, where I want to create a collection of a bunch of text notes or photos from a conference
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tantek
in a list view
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aaronpk
tantek: problem is when there are no photos
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ben_thatmustbeme
perhaps the cli one is just missing
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aaronpk
photos I can deal with fairly easilyt
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: so what I really want to look at is the output of phpinfo then
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tantek
from the webserver
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tantek
since cli may be different from apache
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tantek
(or ngingx or litespeed)
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tantek
aaronpk - huh, not sure then about collections of non-photos. do we have any existing examples of such posts? collections of other things?
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aaronpk
I know Storify does this, but not sure if they even have a view where there's a list of things
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tantek
on my local dev: Loaded Configuration File (none)
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tantek
(via apache)
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tantek
oh duh, Twitter has them
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aaronpk
oh right they added that!
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aaronpk
I don't even know how to create one
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, that is really odd
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: I blame (credit) aaronpk - he helped me with setting up my local tantek.dev :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
you can just put a php.ini in your web root, it should pick it up
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aaronpk
(I believe there is a php.ini.default that you can copy to php.ini if you want to change the settings)
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aaronpk
I don't think the mac php version creates the php.ini at first
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ben_thatmustbeme
ohhh, its on a mac
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barnabywalters
oh are you using apache locally instead of the built in PHP server?
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, i don't believe it does
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aaronpk
yeah mac default. apache + php
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aaronpk
I didn't install anything on his laptop, it was all already there.
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ben_thatmustbeme
according to the internet /etc/php.ini.default is where osx keeps it
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ben_thatmustbeme
or on lion anyway
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tantek
oh yes I have a /etc/php.ini.default on my laptop apparently
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tantek
so perhap just cp it to php.ini ?
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PMurphs
ben_thatmustbeme: i think you're lion
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tantek
do I need to restart apache now to reread it?
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aaronpk
PMurphs: hello! I don't see you on http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people ! (been away for a while and haven't met a lot of the new people here yet!)
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PMurphs
I idle mostly
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PMurphs
how's it going bro
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aaronpk
lots of idlers here, that's cool
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aaronpk
what's your personal website?
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PMurphs
don't have much set up because I've been busy/lazy, need to configure a new vhost for my new personal domain
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PMurphs
and set some stuff up there heh
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tantek
so I was going to ask how do I restart apache, then decided to google for it and got http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/stopping.html
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PMurphs
buuuut once I get things set up it'll be at http://www.retractableneckbeard.com/
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aaronpk
it totally depends on the system. better off searching for "restart apache on osx"
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tantek
of course the Introduction doesn't have the answer - it's buried in the THIRD SEECTION
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tantek
apache org - I weep at your docs
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aaronpk
I think it's apachectl. so that'd be "sudo apachectl restart"
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tantek
and nope apachectl -k graceful didn't work
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tantek
httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using deck-2.local for ServerName
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tantek
httpd not running, trying to start
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tantek
(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
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tantek
(13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
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tantek
no listening sockets available, shutting down
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tantek
Unable to open logs
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ben_thatmustbeme
working with services in osx is frustrating
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aaronpk
need sudo
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tantek
aaronpk how will sudo magically find the server's fully qualified domain name?
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aaronpk
that's not actually an error
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aaronpk
just a warning
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aaronpk
the error is the permission denied
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PMurphs
needs to be able to bind to the iface
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PMurphs
running it through a service daemon?
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tantek
yay got the same message: httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using deck-2.local for ServerName
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Loqi
woot
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ben_thatmustbeme
i get that all the time
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PMurphs
same
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aaronpk
yeah you can set server name somewhere but it's not really important
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aaronpk
especially for dev
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PMurphs
I bet I could pipe an apache restart in here right now and get it
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tantek
well it seemed to "work" in that phpinfo on local dev now says: Loaded Configuration File /private/etc/php.ini
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aaronpk
great!
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PMurphs
yeah buddy
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: apache2/bin/restart is what I do
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KartikPrabhu
this is from command line
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tantek
and hey - that resolved the /PHP#session_start_failed on my local dev setup!
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: on what OS/machine?
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tantek
now to file a ticket for my webhosting co to fix their side
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KartikPrabhu
hmm oh no this is Linux... I thought OSX being Unix-based would be same
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tantek
and document the general troubleshooting above on /PHP
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tantek
"thought XYZ being Unix-based would be same" <--- LOLOLOL
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, i've found it always works best to play the fool and just post the exact error message and say its not working.
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: some of us don't even have to "play"! :)
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aaronpk
too many freaking emails from twitter "Today in Twitter" subject line... so annoying but takes too long to sign in to all my accounts to turn those off
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tantek
aaronpk - you can click the unsubscribe links on the emails without logging into twitter and the links work per account.
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aaronpk
good call
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aaronpk
does it actually un-check the box for each account basically?
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, to be fair, I have been dealing with these kinds of issues for many years.
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tantek
aaronpk, basically. it unchecks that one box for that one account.
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aaronpk
perfect
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: I'm fairly intolerant of these kinds of issues so I try to walk through them painfully explicitly, as every one of them is a weak point for zero-admin deploying/maintaining and indieweb solution.
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tantek
a/and/an
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tantek
oops oh well
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ben_thatmustbeme
agreed. sadly these types of things are all over the place. it could really use some re-imagining in places
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tantek
I think the indiebox and sandstorm efforts are doing some of that re-imagining.
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aaronpk
yeah! i'm excited about that
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ben_thatmustbeme
indeed. I'm quite excited by those projects
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ben_thatmustbeme
as well as the idea of indiestore
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tantek
pretty awesome that we have so many people scratching so many different itches in parallel and overall advancing the state of the art for everyone.
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ben_thatmustbeme
I can't wait to toss ideas around at IWC Cambridge
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tantek
oh look at the time - socialwebwg telcon in 65 minutes
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ShaneHudson
Wow, Justin.tv has shut down
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kylewm
I'd like to make a /Camlistore stub but don't understand it well enough to write a succinct definition, halp?
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@RiverVanRain
Drawing a line from @elgg to @withknown: an adventure in #edtech and #indieweb... via http://geti2p.net/en/
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gRegor`
tantek: Oops on Minneapolis. I probably copied an early version before it was added. I'll be careful to add it in the future. Does anyone from the MN group edit the wiki? It would be good to get their eyes on the event pages.
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tantek
gRegor`: not yet - it's a fascinating group that is still bootstrapping from using social silos.
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gRegor`
Cool
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tantek
no one has yet setup their personal site with indieauth in the MSP group, but several of them are collectively working their way towards doing so
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tantek
gRegor`: they've been meeting since June - so I'm wondering what else might have been lost!
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tantek
gRegor` if you could fix / update /events/2014-08-27-hwc I'd appreciate it!
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gRegor`
Doesn't exist yet
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gRegor`
But I'll include it when I set it up, if someone doesn't beat me to it. :)
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tantek
is working on redirects
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tantek
aaronpk looks like the "/..." autolinking stops at a subsequent /
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aaronpk
oh yeah huh
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aaronpk
autolinking is hard
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gRegor`
tantek: Are these new shorter HWC links the preferred default?
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gRegor`
Or should we redirect them to the longer URL?
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@xtof_fr
Algie vasculaire, #humeur et douleurs. H.S. et e, vacances jusqu’au 2014-08-18 Joignable via #webmention ou SMS. http://christopheducamp.com/2014-218/
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tantek
gRegor`: oh I thought you already created -08-27 since it was linked from the hwc footer :)
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Jeena
I was thinking about it, this would not have happened if she didn't use Instagram but her own website to publish http://findanewequation.tumblr.com/post/91685275467/so-for-the-last-four-months-or-so-i-have-taken (and yeah tumblr could have just reacted the same shitty way, it is just random that they didn't I assume)
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