#indiewebcamp 2014-07-17

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@t going to Homebrew Website Club SF 18:30 tonight but ~19:15+eats&drinks http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-16-homebrew-website-club & http://www.facebook.com/events/1530172017206158 (ttk.me t4X71) (twitter.com/_/status/489560858943442944)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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indie-visitor Mr-Sparker
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Mr-Sparker Good evening all. It's a small group here in Minneapolis tonight.
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gRegor` Hi Mr-Sparker
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gRegor` Just the two of us in Chicago tonight
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Mr-Sparker There are two of us here.A lot of people are out of town.
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gRegor` I'm working on caching profile photos from webmentions so I can display them over HTTPS. Otherwise most people's photos would break the page
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gRegor` Kartik is working on package management with Python, requiring different packages from Github
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KartikPrabhu is cleaning up his code so others can use it and he can stop cowboy-coding everything
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mko is continuing to work on his personal website redesign and rearchitecting.
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gRegor` Denton (new attendee) couldn't make it due to work schtuff
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Mr-Sparker We're just looking over the wiki learning how to get started. Last week we mainly talked about what we want to do with our projects.
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KartikPrabhu Mr-Sparker: good good feel free to ask around here
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Mr-Sparker Cool. Thanks!
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@NZN We are each the ink #indieweb #ownyourself @kid_OYO (twitter.com/_/status/489567906192429056)
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@kid_OYO RT @NZN: We are each the ink #indieweb #ownyourself @kid_OYO (twitter.com/_/status/489567995665334272)
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bret HWC PDX at the waypost starting
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bret :p
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bret just me
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gRegor` One is the loneliest number . . .
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bret im super tired actually... working alone for a bit will be nice. shhhh writing hour! :p
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bret ;)
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@LonnieRae Homebrew website club tonight! Wish I were there with @t & @kevinmarks. Info here: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-16-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/489570905714999296)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-07-16-homebrew-website-club (+311) "/* Notes */ Chicago" (view diff)
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npdoty knock knock
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npdoty anybody there at Matter?
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 7/8 at 6:49pm: for those of you going to YaYY - I just added a "Website Club!" session to the session ideas wiki page they have: https://yxyy.hackpad.com/Session-Ideas-aZ5THxkaIRY - add yourself in the 5th column if you're interested!
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 7/8 at 6:58pm: I made a separate page on their wiki for it as well: https://yxyy.hackpad.com/Website-Club-Dbuwkvyhps7
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Loqi benwerd: michielbdejong left you a message 1 week ago: Hi! looks like there's two wrong links in the fourth bullet point on http://withknown.com/developers/ - I think they should be http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention and http://indiewebcamp.com/
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Loqi benwerd: aaronpk left you a message 1 week ago: minor nitpick about the yxyy site... the comment box looks so similar to Disqus for some reason and it freaks me out and makes me not want to use it
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Loqi benwerd: KartikPrabhu left you a message on 7/15 at 9:19pm: any reason withknown.com does not list your site as a working example?
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Loqi benwerd: gRegor` left you a message 1 hour, 58 minutes ago: You don't accept HEAD requests to werd.io?
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benwerd whoa
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mko lol, benwerd. Looks like you've been offline for a while.
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benwerd Hello from HWC SF!
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kylewm benwerd: a third party developer has built privacy controls that allow private posting across Elgg, Known, and Wordpress
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kylewm algorithm is based on private keys, not IndieAuth "it must be said"
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kylewm this is mapkyca.com I think (who is not here)
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kylewm erinjo: eventually plan to get to "circles" type feature
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kylewm super super uber "proof of concept" right now
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kylewm looking at analytics, what can we do with the data
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kylewm onboarding for multi-user Known
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kylewm single biggest that people say in design review is:
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kylewm *drum roll*
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kylewm "how are you different to wordpress?"
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benwerd sad trombone
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kylewm or "why don't you just turn this into a plugin for wordpress?"
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kylewm -- discussing with snarfed the possibility of API for automated signup to bridgy
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benwerd snarfed talking about the POSSE and in-silo activity actions that you can perform in bridgy - not as visible as he'd like (it is pretty cool)
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kylewm KevinMarks: excited about KartikPrabhu's work on marginalia, fragmentions for comments on a specific paragraph
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kylewm distributed RapGenius
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kylewm or Medium
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kylewm KevinMarks discussing how to easily select text and turn it into a fragmention link
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kylewm Google plugin does it now
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kylewm Firefox has a workaround
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kylewm copy/paste text to the URL bar, it converts it to a valid encoded url
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kylewm KevinMarks thinking about using twitter to make it pretty seamless to annotate a document
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kylewm RapGenius is line level, Medium is paragraph level
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benwerd (RapGenius is selection-level - could be a whole paragraph, or a partial)
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kylewm question: how does this relate to the w3c annotations proposal
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kylewm i.e. will this conflict with fragmention
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kylewm will fragmention conflict with this*
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kylewm Kevin: annotations may use fuzzy/more lenient matching
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kylewm fragmention intended to be simplest thing that could possibly work
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kylewm ben: interested in having some UX on his site that asks you what you want to do when you select some text
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kylewm Kevin: instapaper has that!
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kylewm npdoty: as a phd student, mostly working on dissertation, interested in writing in Markdown and publishing something LaTeX-like
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kylewm worked with author of Pandoc (tool written in Haskell, can convert any format to... any other format)
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benwerd Pandoc: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/
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kylewm Pandoc can convert citation manager citations to presentable HTML
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kylewm A nice way to write academic papers without giving up the web
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mko Hah. I've used Pandoc before.
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kylewm attn: KartikPrabhu
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mko Pandoc is great, npdoty.
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kylewm snarfed: cranking along steadily on bridgy, infrastructure improvements
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kylewm benwerd: we had a user that had 1500 likes/comments on a single post, bridgy handled with aplomb
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kylewm kudos to snarfed
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rascul pandoc is good
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kylewm discussing bridgy twitter-streaming ... can't use for free above a certain number of users
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kylewm the code is still there, ostensibly still works, but is turned off
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kylewm snarfed: working on improving the sign-up flow for casual users, and being really aggressive notifying users if it detects anything wrong on their site
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kylewm a challenge to all of you working on your own indieweb sites:
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kylewm a reply *should* go to all posts in a reply chain, not just the most recent
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rascul is bridgy something that can be self hosted?
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kylewm rascul: you can run your own instance on google appengine
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rascul ok
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kylewm I feel like there might be a self-hosted clone thing?
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kylewm -- discussing how twitter intelligently handles long reply chains, including forking replies
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kylewm snarfed: got an email from MIT person building their own internal microblogging thing
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kylewm can we put 10,000 users on this in a few months?
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kylewm MIT tool is called Cimba
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kylewm benwerd: saw a demo of it at OOW, very slick
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benwerd s/OOW/IIW
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kylewm the concern is with that many people, will we be stomped
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kylewm (i.e. by fb/twitter)
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kylewm snarfed's feeling is that we are an ant to them, and it's unlikely they will step on us, and if they do they won't notice :P
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kylewm --
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kylewm (sorry I don't know your name): working on peer-to-peer communication over wifi ... lower level than web stuff
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kylewm very fast transmission rates
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bret hi from portland
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bret :)
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benwerd Hello Portland!
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kylewm don't forget to take a picture for the website, bret
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kylewm ;)
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benwerd We all say hello!
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kylewm "freemount is a work in progress and I welcome people to do what they want to with it
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kylewm "
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kylewm switching to peer-to-peer
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bret just me and max today
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bret switching to code mode
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bret how is article differentiated from a node in micropub?
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bret ie how does http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Kinds_of_Posts map to http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub?
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donpdonp bret are you at the waypost
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bret donpdonp: i am
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bret trivia is going to start soon suposedly though
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bret fails at organizing this week
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bret donpdonp: are you nearby?
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bret i should have just worked at FF&D.
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Loqi I agree
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donpdonp bret: my location is always at your fingertips
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donpdonp hmm. that could have been phrased better.
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donpdonp icecondor.com/donpdonp
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@benwerd Homebrew Website Club Noir (at @mattervc, photo by @museyapp) #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/489605943777181696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/489605943777181696)
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gRegor` Hahaha, donpdonp
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bret oh yeah i forgot
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@joshuajuran RT @benwerd: Homebrew Website Club Noir (at @mattervc, photo by @museyapp) #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/489605943777181696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/489615582635896832)
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acegiak morning, all
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@kyle_wm RT @benwerd: Homebrew Website Club Noir (at @mattervc, photo by @museyapp) #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/489605943777181696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/489617024755040256)
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kylewm hi acegiak, how's it going?
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acegiak kylewm: not bad. Just putting some touches on the last.fm plugin I built last night
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gRegor` Ooh
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gRegor` is curious
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acegiak gRegor`: I'm just making a shortcode that does an api call and then presents it in a table
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gRegor` Ah, the top [whatever] charts?
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acegiak gRegor`: yeah, I just wanted to display my top tracks for the week and no other plugins would do it
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gRegor` I was thinking briefly bout /media_checkins the other day.
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gRegor` As I get distracted by all the little projects I want to do, heh.
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acegiak gRegor`: yeah I was trying to work out if anyone was indie scrobbling
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acegiak couldn't see anything actually being developed
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acegiak might do it myself later
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kylewm mattl here wrote libre.fm if that counts
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kylewm or worked on?
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acegiak oh I'll make a note of that
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KartikPrabhu seems like I missed quite a bit!
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KartikPrabhu kylewm. npdoty: I have looked at pandoc before and iirc both its Latex and HTML outputs were horrible, particularly HTML
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KartikPrabhu but that was a while ago
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KartikPrabhu bear: you around?
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bear KartikPrabhu - yes
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KartikPrabhu I tried to install ronkyuu from the repo today. and it seems that when setup.py is run, it goes to __init__ because of the import statements in setup.py. Then in __init__ it runs the import statements there and fails because it doesn't find bs4 for example
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bear oh
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KartikPrabhu hmm i wrote that in a confusing way
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KartikPrabhu but you got it ok :P
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bear let me get the source up
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KartikPrabhu this is on a brand new virtual environment
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bear ah - it's because i'm trying to pull the version from the __init__
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KartikPrabhu yes
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bear and something in the module is referencing bs4 before setup.py has even installed
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KartikPrabhu yup!
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bear yea, that's not good - i'll fix now and push
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KartikPrabhu ok cool! :)
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KartikPrabhu no hurry I was just refactoring my code and removing all the symlink type dependencies I have
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bear nods
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bear @KartikPrabhu fixed
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KartikPrabhu neat will test out in a bit. thanks!
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bear yw - thanks for the bug report
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gRegor` I've got the basics of profile photo caching set up: http://gregorlove.com/2014/02/1179/#w1
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gRegor` Have to initiate the caching process manually for now, but it's a start.
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KartikPrabhu nice
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gRegor` Wondering if I should indicate the original URL for the photo somehow?
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KartikPrabhu indicate when you display it?
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KartikPrabhu I don't see the use for the reader
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gRegor` Or in an mf2. But it would likely be . . . dun dun dun, invisible data.
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gRegor` So yeah
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KartikPrabhu in fact I would have made the filename as encoded-original-URL.jpg :P
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gRegor` encoded?
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KartikPrabhu yeah so kartikprabhu.com/avatar.jpg in your cache would be gregorlove.com/cache/encoded version-of(kartikprabhu.com/avatar).jpg
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gRegor` To obscure it? I don't follow.
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KartikPrabhu encoded it to remove the dots and slashes and make it a valid filename
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gRegor` I just use the hostname. It's valid.
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gRegor` img/cache/kartikprabhu.com.jpg
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KartikPrabhu aah ok cool. but if you use the whole URL you have the URL in your cache for future reference
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gRegor` Initially I did replace periods with underscores, but though "eh, why?" :)
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KartikPrabhu ha
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gRegor` Original author URL is still in the database though
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KartikPrabhu oh ok
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gRegor` Yeah, not clobbering any data. Just adding on.
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@VisceralBiz @MervynDinnen yes - aggregated control of your own content/footprint and ux is crucial #indieweb #posse (twitter.com/_/status/489647636270829568)
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KartikPrabhu another "blogs are dead" tweet ^^
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kylewm gRegor`: (how) do you cache silo avatars?
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gRegor` I have not tackled that yet. :)
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gRegor` probably an exception like tw-username.jpg
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gRegor` That will actually be the better use case, though, since Twitter profile URLs break a lot
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kylewm interesting
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kylewm my cached image urls are pretty heinous
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gRegor` Oh, I didn't realize you cached. What's your scheme?
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kylewm e.g., https://kylewm.com/static/_mirror/photos.waterpigs.co.uk/photos/custom/201210/5d5a4d-Facing-Down_100x100xCR.jpg
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kylewm sorta like indieauth
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kylewm bah
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kylewm indiearchive
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KartikPrabhu eh that's what I suggested :P
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kylewm "great minds think alike" is a really dumb phrase
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kylewm they categorically do not!
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KartikPrabhu and I disagree ;)
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acegiak ok so I'm pretty new to contributing to open source projects etc. What's the go if I've made something new that uses stuff written by someone else?
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acegiak So I've written this last.fm plugin which relies heavily on a php class written by someone else on github
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acegiak except with one method made public instead of private
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acegiak do I fork that first class on github and add my code? Do I reupload the whole lot to github as a new package with the credits to the original guy in the source?
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acegiak do I upload as a new bundle and just don't include his code and make the user go get it?
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@kevinmarks "@computermuseum: .@staticwake We love you indie devs ... You're what it's all about! Keep on coding ..." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/489669509318336512)
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voxpelli acegiak: sounds like a GitHub fork is the way to go for that
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Loqi barnabywalters: gRegor` left you a message on 7/14 at 1:34pm: FYI http://indiewebify.waterpigs.co.uk/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhmans.io%2F returned a "Whoops, looks like something went wrong." Not sure if php-mf2 needs to be updated or something else.
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barnabywalters good morning indiewebcamp
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acegiak morning, barnabywalters
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barnabywalters anything interesting happened while I was away? other than an indiewebcamp and indie tech event?
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acegiak barnabywalters: in a mad haze of annoyance at there not being anything that did it I've wrote a last.fm plugin for wordpress
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acegiak but that was just last night
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barnabywalters acegiak: cool! what does it do?
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acegiak it lets you query the last.fm api as a shortcode and displays the results in tables
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acegiak the coolest bit is the json tree to nested tables function
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@Berryfix Download and Archive Your Social Media Memories http://www.wired.com/2014/07/archive-social-networks #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/489708621396447232)
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@MindyXpress Download and Archive Your Social Media Memories http://www.wired.com/2014/07/archive-social-networks #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/489709870401474561)
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@iRepairsSA Download and Archive Your Social Media Memories http://www.wired.com/2014/07/archive-social-networks #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/489712392272506880)
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barnabywalters !tell kylewm your 410 Gone page has some stray escaped markup, and the doctype declares HTML 3.1 :) https://kylewm.com/note/2014/06/30/2
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters aaand waterpigs.co.uk is fixed again. turns out my disk was full
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (+118) "/* Roadmap */ renamed Roadmap -> Itches, reorganised, added venues, events, recipes" (view diff)
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: you filled your disk, on a web server??
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: apparently! still trying to figure out exactly what happened
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barnabywalters I deleted my namecoin index (which wasn’t being used anyway) but that wasn’t the bulk of it
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@BarnabyWalters @_jden hello! Been away for three weeks, good to see indiewebcamp went well (as always), I was sorry… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4X8A_2/ (twitter.com/_/status/489719686419218432)
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: just curious, how do you actually store the text of your notes (asking cos your recent note has emoji in, which causes hiccups in MySQL)
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jonnybarnes why the mysql added a utf-8 charset option that doesn't support all of utf-8 confuses me?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: I store all my content in utf-8 encoded YAML files
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jonnybarnes so essentially just raw text files
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: yup
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jonnybarnes I realised I was going to have a problem with my URL structure. my new notes page is at /notes/new and an individual note is at /notes/nb60id
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jonnybarnes and 'new' is legit nb60 number
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jonnybarnes worked out that I have 170,000 notes to go before it becomes a problem
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jonnybarnes should be ok :P
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: can IRC handle emoji? pile-of-poo test: 💩
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post-by-email uploaded /File:20140717-121348.jpg "Uploaded via email by Km Sayem <kmsayem*@*ail.com>"
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@SMARTlabZA Download and Archive Your Social Media Memories http://www.wired.com/2014/07/archive-social-networks #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/489757733386997760)
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barnabywalters tommorris: thanks for the php-mf2 template issue and test case, implemented and released in https://packagist.org/packages/mf2/mf2#v0.2.8
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barnabywalters along with two other bugfixes which accumulated while I was gone
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glennjones kylewm: answer to question earlier today, yes you are thinking of http://store.transmat.io/ my first go at building a backend for my blog
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glennjones It still powers the articles on http://glennjones.net it’s a simple microformats API based of an online file system, in this case Google docs, but it could be dropbox or something else
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glennjones I drop a HTML document into a folder marked up with h-entry and the code does everything else for me
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barnabywalters glennjones: that’s so cool! so archives can be restored by wget’ing a site and dropping it in?
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tommorris barnabywalters: awesome.
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: going to Homebrew Website Club SF 18:30 tonight but ~19:15+eats&drinks http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-07-16-homebrew-website-club & http://www.facebook.com/events/1530172017206158 (ttk.me t4X71) (twitter.com/_/status/489764416548634625)
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barnabywalters glennjones: it would be interesting to drop an archive of someone else’s indieweb site into your system and see how well the content is preserved
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barnabywalters tommorris: also, loving your work on places and reviews — it has inspired me to work on something similar
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glennjones barnabywalters: yes I wanted something that was html files and also could be a backup
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barnabywalters it would be cool to plot the places on a map on the index page instead of traversing a hierarchy
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@NoizIvy RT @NZN: We are each the ink #indieweb #ownyourself @kid_OYO (twitter.com/_/status/489764851128864768)
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bnvk ahoy barnabywalters
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barnabywalters greetings bnvk!
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barnabywalters how was indie conf?
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bnvk barnabywalters: was good & interesting- definitely lots to chat about offline
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barnabywalters tommorris: do you have a screenshot or publicly viewable version of your place publishing UI?
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tommorris barnabywalters: not really. it's horrible. ;)
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barnabywalters tommorris: well making it public is not only useful for others but also a good incentive to make it nicer :)
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barnabywalters tommorris: also btw I’m seeing map failures and $ is not defined errors on http://tommorris.org/places/4
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tommorris barnabywalters: cheers. will sort out
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@kid_OYO #Entrepreneurial #Edtech defined by future workforce requirements + #indieweb perspectives.Get students involved early,set future in motion! (twitter.com/_/status/489782826196566017)
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tommorris Oh, look, the future Diaspora: https://projectdouglas.org/
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gRegor` Doesn't load for me, tommorris
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gRegor` Ah, it does without https
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kylewm barnabywalters: ha! looks the over-escaped html is a bug in the library https://github.com/mitsuhiko/werkzeug/issues/506
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Loqi kylewm: barnabywalters left you a message 6 hours, 10 minutes ago: your 410 Gone page has some stray escaped markup, and the doctype declares HTML 3.1 :) https://kylewm.com/note/2014/06/30/2
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gRegor` jonnybarnes: (scrolling back) Apparetly the utf8mb4 mysql character type is the "complete" utf8. It is odd they shipped only 3-byte support in 'utf8' though
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snarfed hey benwerd, any chance you have a link to that 1500-response load test post you mentioned yesterday?
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snarfed i'm morbidly curious
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mko benwerd snarfed: Ditto.
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hmans Woohoo, more webmention support on #pants
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snarfed hmans++
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Loqi hmans has 3 karma
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hmans \o/
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hmans http://hmans.io/oqq524 has two replies -- coming from the same software, but distributed through webmentions. Webmentioned URLs from non-#pants sites will just be linked plainly (but I'll try to extract h-entry or just OGP as a fallback at some point)
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hmans Next: likes!
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kylewm !tell glennjones thank you for pointing me to store.transmat.io
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kylewm no one else knew what i was talking about and i was starting to feel a little crazy ;) this is just ridiculously cool!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm hmans: awesome! i'm going to try replying
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hmans Go ahead... it should at least pop up as a link.
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mko kylewm glennjones: That is a really cool mechanism for exploring API documentation.
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kylewm also a quote from benwerd last night: "I can't believe I'm saying this, but tell me more about pants"
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hmans Mmmmm, pants
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kylewm hey, a link, not bad!
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kylewm and I was able to parse your post perfectly for reply-context
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kylewm pants++
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Loqi pants has 0 karma
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kylewm hahahah
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Loqi awesome
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hmans Well, I'm happy to give you access if you have a (sub)domain to spare. Would love some feedback. http://hmans.io/lrn569
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hmans I've been horrible about actually describing what #pants is.
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hmans (Sorry for typing #pants, I just got used to that at some point, and now call the whole thing 'hashpants'.)
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kylewm octothorpepants
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hmans :(
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hmans I guess one of the many possible description is: a distributed social blogging aggregator something something.
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hmans Gah, it's frustrating, because #pants is really extremely simple.
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kylewm in your mind, how does it differ from pump.io/tent.io?
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kylewm I guess those are technically protocols, not platforms
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hmans From what I've seen of the two, I'd say a) extreme simplicity and b) salted with blogging
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hmans I didn't have much of an agenda when I started out building this, though.
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hmans I just wanted to build something that doesn't make me any money and doesn't solve any problems.
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hmans One of the things I'm enjoying about it is how you can choose to just use it as a standalone blogging engine, if you like, or even just as an internal system. Some friends of mine just set up an instance as their internal code snippet server.
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hmans re "salted with blogging", that's actually wrong. #pants is really blogging with social, not social with blogging.
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hmans I'm really just making most of this up as I speak.
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kylewm cool
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kylewm that's ok :)
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kylewm ability to be a standalone thing does differentiate from those two
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kylewm puts it more in Known territory
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kylewm I'm psyched about the prospect of software that one techy person could administrate for 5-10 of their less-techy friends
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snarfed whenever i read techie or techy, i usually think "tetchy"
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snarfed (which often fits :P)
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hmans Yeah, that's kind of where I want to go with this thing... in my head, at least.
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tommorris and an indiewebbish post that flowed from thoughts from IndieTech Summit: http://tommorris.org/posts/9040
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gRegor` hmans++ for displaying webmention links
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Loqi hmans has 4 karma
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gRegor` Nice work, hmans. Have you been able to sign in to the wiki yet? a /pants page is probably in order :)
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hmans kylewm already ++'d me, I'm starting to feel bad!
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gRegor` (Not to distract you from code :)
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hmans gRegor`, I have, I'm just dealing with confidence issues.
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gRegor` Take our internet points!
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gRegor` :)
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gRegor` who is hmans
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Loqi http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Hmans.io
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gRegor` Cool cool.
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Jeena hmans is pants a rails implementation of the indiewebstuff?
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hmans It didn't really start out as one, to be honest.
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hmans Rails, yes.
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hmans Distributed social blogging. I'm just adopting the indieweb stuff now, step by step.
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Jeena nice
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Jeena how is this following stuff implemented, is it a feedreader too?
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hmans Yeah, you can subscribe other #pants users (long-term goal is to support non-#pants sites, too) by entering their domain name, and it'll give you a timeline with their posts.
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Jeena ah I see some text about atom feeds
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hmans When you follow someone, it'll periodically poll their site (nothing fancier than that)
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hmans if they're folllowing you, too, new content will be pushed immediately.
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Jeena with pubsubhub or something propriatary?
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hmans A webmention-like ping request. Very simple.
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Jeena ah
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hmans I'm looking at pubsubhub*, but it seems a bit too powerful for what I'm doing. I will keep re-evaluating, though.
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Jeena sounds like very cool project
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hmans Priority #1 is to keep everything *extremely* simple
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Jeena I like that
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hmans Well, if you want to give it a go, I'm happy to set you up with a site... you just need a host that's CNAME'd or A'd to my server.
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gRegor` It's nice seeing my in-reply-tos show up on other sites. Mostly I've replied to tweets so far.
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hmans (It's open-source, too, but it's too early for me to recommend to people they install it
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hmans hasn't stopped some, of course...
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hmans http://hmans.io/lrn569 if you're interested.
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Jeena sadly I don't quite have the time right now, I'm mostly interested because my own website is a hacked together rails app where I gradually add new indieweb functionality
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Jeena but it got quite complicated to set up so I haven't been able to open source it yet
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bret hmans pubsubhubbub is good for broadcasting pings from one person to many followers
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Jeena oh nice, you already got a community around the software, very cool
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bret hmans this is a good public PuSH hub if you want to play around: http://pubsubhubbub.superfeedr.com
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hmans See, the part that I need to figure out is how I can set up everything without relying on eg. superfeedr.com.
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Jeena yeah same here
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hmans So I need to read up on that part of the whole thing very thoroughly.
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bret hmans an easy strategy would be to allow the site to specify the PuSH hub
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bret or act as one
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hmans bret, yup -- ideally I'd like to add the hub capabilities to the code itself and allow individual nodes to be configured as hubs.
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bret but Julian is a cool guy, i trust him to run a good hub for a while
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Jeena in the long run I even would like to be independent of brid.gy (even sough I love what they have done)
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hmans It's not that I don't fear that superfeedr.com is going away or anything -- it's just opposed to what I'm trying to do with #pants.
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hmans Same reason why I currently don't want to straight-out add logging in through indieauth.com
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cweiske hmans, there is a difference between indieauth.com and indieauth (protocol)
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hmans I know.
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hmans I may have a go at implementing indieauth (the protocol) at some point, but there's a million more thing that I need to do first.
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Jeena is there a reason why you don't show the year of the date for the posts? I kind of like to know if it is a reasent post or if it is already a couple of years old
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hmans Jeena, excellent point, thanks. I'll change it.
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cweiske I implemented the protocol in my indieauth-to-openid wrapper, but indiewebcamp.com doesn't support non-indieauth.com logins
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bret cweiske what is the status on that? isn't aaronpk rewriting indieauth.com?
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bret i think to follow a similar model that ownyourgram takes or something
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cweiske today I saw the "will be coming soon" message again
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2014-07-02%20indieauth%20coming%20soon.png
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bret where it runs tests to verify things before letting people log in vs just erroring out
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snarfed bret: agreed. i made similar ux changes to bridgy recently
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snarfed e.g. https://www.brid.gy/googleplus/107178809279250518773
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/facebook/500590467
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snarfed https://www.brid.gy/tumblr/cedorsett.tumblr.com
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tommorris so, err, NSA has been in ur nude pix.
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tommorris just saying.
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bret snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 36 karma
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snarfed hey, tommorris! it might be time for my quarterly nudge about your webmention handler :P
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tommorris heh. need to find some time to soon.:)
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cweiske !tell pfefferle net_webfinger and dependencies are on packagist now and installable via composer (no dev-master needed anymore)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@hmans How do you unlike stuff? You send a Webmention with a source URL that 410s. (twitter.com/_/status/489888259758370816)
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snarfed hey kylewm, just fyi since you're starting to work on bridgy publish…when it's running in dev_appserver, i'm going to make its facebook posts only visible to the author
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snarfed ie the "only me" audience
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snarfed makes manual testing easier w/o spamming friends
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kylewm :+1:
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kylewm tommorris: I'm cracking up at this paragraph http://tommorris.org/posts/9040##If+I+told+my+parents+that+to+see+the+photos
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gRegor` Hahah
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tommorris thanks kylewm
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