#indiewebcamp 2014-06-24

2014-06-24 UTC
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rascul
google wants to be a registrar, problem is in a number of years if google decides to kill the service like they have so many others
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rascul
although i guess they don't normally kill services that bring them income
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snarfed
rascul: eh, i don't know if that's really a problem. the beautiful thing about domains is you can transfer them between registrars
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rascul
hrm that is correct
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rascul
maybe not such an issue
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rknLA
I'm reading through http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/21743973/Whistle#whyhumanreadability again and was wondering, what does DiSo stand for?
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rknLA
i guess that's it
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rknLA
oh, distributed social
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rknLA
thanks!
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rknLA
ohai jlsuttles
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jlsuttles
ohai rknLA!
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rknLA
how's things?
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@willnorris
Google domains is one of the more exciting products for me personally Google has released in a while https://willnorris.com/2014/06/google-domains #indiewebcamp
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KevinMarks
how is this different from google.com/a ?
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@MunawarBkl009
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1)
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KevinMarks
so no more sites?
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Loqi
willnorris: tantek left you a message 3 weeks, 5 days ago: was IWC SF (2014-03-07) when you got https working on your site with proper ciphers etc. to get an A+ rating on ssllabs?
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willnorris
@KevinMarks google wasn’t the registrar for google.com/a domains… I think it rotated between enom, godaddy, and maybe others
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rascul
google wants to be a registrar now
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willnorris
Google *is* a registrar now
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jlsuttles.me
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rascul
yeah is
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jlsuttles
rknLA: Things are good! Hanging out with veganstraightedge atm
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willnorris
!tell tantek had A rating since 2013-11 (https://willnorris.com/2013/11/improving-my-https-support). I think the “+” was only added recently for additionally having HSTS support
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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rknLA
jlsuttles: oh nice. tell him i say hello
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jlsuttles.me
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jlsuttles
rknLA Shane says hello :)
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gRegor`
Does Loqi ignore rsvp webmentions to IWC pages?
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Loqi
who, me?
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GWG
gRegor`: I know there was some logic put in to avoid duplicate mentions
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gRegor`
Only one link to /2014
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gRegor`
Oh, might be because I have www. on indiewebcamp.com. My other two links don't
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GWG
I have to go do a recording in #androidbuffet
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GWG
I will be mentioning 2014.
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gRegor`
There we go.
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gRegor`
I fixed the link and re-sent the wm
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aaronpk
willnorris: hey! are you going to make it to either PDX or NYC this weekend for indiewebcamp?
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willnorris
sadly no :(
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GWG
Ah, willnorris, the man who inspired a million facepiles
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aaronpk
aw too bad, we'll miss you!
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willnorris
thanks. I’ll definitely miss it too
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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GWG
I plugged Indiewebcamp
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@veganstraightedge
!!! @jlsuttles just posted to a @homesteadingio instance using two #micropub apps (@aaronpk's Quill and @BarnabyWalters' Taproot)! #indieweb
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@indiewebcamp
RT @veganstraightedge: !!! @jlsuttles just posted to a @homesteadingio instance using two #micropub apps (@aaronpk's Quill and @BarnabyWalt
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gRegor`
So I'm pretty satisfied with my wm receiving / parsing. I flipped the switch and am processing received wm every 5 minutes now.
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KartikPrabhu
gregor`++ for asyc wm processing
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KartikPrabhu
aww you still get no ++ gregor`
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gRegor`
We'll work on that at IWC. Haha
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gRegor`
I might be one of the few doing async processing, at least according to /webmention
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aaronpk
maybe loqi will make himself a web page at IWC
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Loqi
yeah!
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aaronpk
gRegor`: I do async processing but it happens almost immediately
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gRegor`
Own your own interjections, Loqi.
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gRegor`
Every minute?
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aaronpk
as soon as they come in
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gRegor`
Oh, so not a cron
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aaronpk
the web server responds with "202 accepted" then puts a job onto a queue, the worker picks it up immediately
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gRegor`
Gotcha
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gRegor`
What do you use for queueing?
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aaronpk
beanstalkd
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gRegor`
I should look into that.
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Loqi
fo sho
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kylewm
same here, using a redis queue
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aaronpk
kylewm: using sidekiq? or manually using redis?
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kylewm
manually I guess. I modified a flask snippet that mitsuhiko published
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aaronpk
yeah i like redis too
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kylewm
trying to think of a hack for Sunday that isn't just reimplementing some feature if p3k ;)
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kylewm
but maybe I will leave it open and plan to be inspired in Saturday
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aaronpk
haha! go look at my todo list and beat me to something :)
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kylewm
not a bad idea!
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aaronpk
i've been stalled on new p3k features lately cause of all the indieauth work
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KartikPrabhu
is working on marginalia.js :D
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kylewm
!m KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu
ehh? kylewm?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: does your software have a name? like p3k or Known?
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KartikPrabhu
not yet officially!
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aaronpk
if not I'm just going to credit "Python"
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KartikPrabhu
I'm calling it "Bundle" privately... it just isn't public/open source yet... another thing I need to do
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: Bundle = Python+custom Django running on my site :)
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aaronpk
i'll call it "django" for now then
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KartikPrabhu
hmmm ok :D
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aaronpk
until it's googleable
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KartikPrabhu
sure... I'd write it up on the wiki if that helps... there wouldn't be much to write about except list all the tools I'm using
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aaronpk
sure! better than nothing :)
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KartikPrabhu
wants to open-source it but gets sidetracked by all other cool things to do :P
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aaronpk
imo there's not a lot of value in open sourcing the whole thing unless you plan on actually supporting the open source version, which involves things like writing docs, tutorials, etc
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KartikPrabhu
yeah.. lot of work I realised
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: so put it on a page in the wiki and link from /projects ?
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aaronpk
I am not ready to do that right now, which is why i've been doing it this way instead: http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Source_Code
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aaronpk
yeah! and link from your user page
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KartikPrabhu
ok will do that now
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kylewm
I expected you to call it Parallel Transport
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aaronpk
me too
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: that is my site name! Though I am keeping with the whole math theme: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundle_%28mathematics%29 :)
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu++ for working on marginalia.js (is what I meant to say earlier)
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Loqi
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Loqi
giggles
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KartikPrabhu
bear: I am somewhat plagiarising your Hakkan page if you don't mind :)
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bear
copy away - that's why it's on a wiki and open source :)
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KartikPrabhu
also has sub packages called Connection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connection_%28mathematics%29) and an in-progress file-storage-db called Pullback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullback) and also Parallel Transport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_transport) ;)
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KartikPrabhu
bear: thanks! always good to inform
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bear
heck, with the way your going, I may just switch to your tools and join in
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kartikprabhu.com
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bear
KartikPrabhu++ great job getting good python apps rolling with the latest features
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Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
bear: :D hopefully I get some bits open-sourced.
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gRegor`
BundleConnectionPullbackParallelTransport
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gRegor`
It rolls off the tongue
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gRegor`
BCPPT
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bear
BunConPuPaTrans
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KartikPrabhu
BuConPuPaTra :P
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KartikPrabhu
this is where tantek kicks us off to #indiechat ;)
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kartikprabhu.com
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kartikprabhu.com
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KartikPrabhu
boom! aaronpk there you go! Bundle bundle everywhere... not a drop to "drink"
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gRegor`
what is bundle
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Loqi
Bundle is a set publishing tools for the Indieweb built using Python and Django http://indiewebcamp.com/Bundle
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aaronpk
yaaayyy
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
that was the fastest bit of wiki editing I've ever done!
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aaronpk
congrats
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KartikPrabhu
needs to decide on a logo for Bundle
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aaronpk
that's great cause now if people search for python it'll show up, and will link to the python tools!
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aaronpk
request for y'all: can you send me screenshots of your posting interface?
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gRegor`
For tomorrow, aaronpk?
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aaronpk
yes for my talk tomorrow
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aaronpk
i've got p3k and Taproot covered, but more would be great
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: mine is the horrible Django admin interface. nothing of note there... :(
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gRegor`
I have a notes UI image posted a couple days ago, but I've altered it and was going to post a newer version. I can do that now though.
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: it's fine!
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: that's actually more helpful since it illustrates my point better :)
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aaronpk
gRegor`: thanks!
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gRegor`
Just my notes posting UI. The article posting one from my CMS is ugly
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: aah ok will take screenshots of notes-posting
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aaronpk
searches the wiki for "interface"
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gRegor`
Basically I just re-ordered the fields from most likely to least likely to be filled in
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gregorlove.com
uploaded /File:gregorlove-add-note-2014-06-23.png "Work-in-progress for my add note interface."
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gregorlove.com
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gregorlove.com
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gRegor`
^ Updated, aaronpk
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kartikprabhu.com
uploaded /File:Django_site_admin_notes.jpg "Django notes posting on kartikprabhu.com"
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gRegor`
Notes are not published publicly on my site yet, but soon! Tomorrow, maybe. Before IWC, definitely.
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aaronpk
woo thx
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aaronpk
you're the best
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gregorlove.com
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gregorlove.com
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gregorlove.com
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gRegor`
Maybe a wiki category for interfaces?
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aaronpk
for the images?
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aaronpk
not a bad idea
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gRegor`
Yeah. I was thinking pages that included images at first, but you can add them directly to images too
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gregorlove.com
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: should mf2util be finding your user picture? e.g., https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/06/23/1
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: probably not since my articles don't have avatars yet!
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KartikPrabhu
could get them to style correctly...
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kylewm
oh ok, phew
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KartikPrabhu
:) mf2util is working fine on my site... not to really worry
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: Bundle also has a logo now :P ^
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aaronpk
oo yay
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kylewm.com
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kylewm
any objections to merging /StatusNet with /GNU_social ?
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kylewm
sweet logo KartikPrabhu. looks like if the Rebel Alliance joined indieweb
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KartikPrabhu
haha! I was just making a B with dots and lines :P
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KartikPrabhu
that is another theme I have going on in my site... circles and lines for logos
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kylewm.com
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aaronpk
probably don't merge them, if anything leave the StatusNet page there and migrate some of the content leaving a stub of sorts
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aaronpk
sad that http://evan.status.net/ is returning a database connection error now
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KartikPrabhu
just wrote JS to find all marginalia... JS makes me tired!
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aaronpk
me too :(
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KartikPrabhu
writing python seems so easy, probably even C will make me tired now
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KartikPrabhu
from rest import sleep
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aaronpk
npm install sleep
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: Is Bundle going to appear in your talk?
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aaronpk
yes! i'm including screenshots of everything i can get my hands on
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KartikPrabhu
sweet! :D
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rascul
i used to write everything in c
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rascul
now since i been using python for awhile c is hard
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KartikPrabhu
I learnt C > C++ > JS > Python
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KartikPrabhu
no counting some stupid MySQL hackery
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rascul
i learned c++ > c > lots of things in i don't remember what order > python > more things in some other order
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rascul
put some s-lang, expect, tcl, bash, php, java, perl in there somewhere
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rascul
oh and js i guess
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KartikPrabhu
oh yeah I did Java (urrgh) sometime
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rascul
i learned it in some class, it made the teacher mad because my java codes were better than his
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rascul
then i never used it
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rascul
tcl was quite interesting
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aaronpk
went GWBasic > QBasic > C > Visual Basic > Perl > PHP > C# > Java > Objective C > Ruby
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rascul
oh yeah i had some qbasic in there too
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rascul
and quickbasic i guess, there were some minor differences
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KevinMarks
I went BASIC, 6502 assembler, Forth, Fortran, Pascal, HyperTalk, C, Python, Java, JS
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KartikPrabhu
oo maybe I should count Logo! :D
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KevinMarks
Oh, PHP too in there after Python
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KevinMarks
which was a disappointing transition
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rascul
i can typically look at code and figure it out regardless of the language
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KevinMarks
and some Perl too
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KartikPrabhu
rascul: yeah... meaning you know actual programming :)
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kylewm
hmm, we do not represent functional programming very well
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rascul
i don't know that i belong to any paradigms but if i did it would probably be functional
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rascul
er i meant something else
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rascul
i think
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KevinMarks
Imperative?
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rascul
yeah imperative
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KevinMarks
Object stuff is such a digression
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KevinMarks
I think I should try Go next
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rascul
i'm waiting for rust to be stable
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rascul
never had much motivation to learn go
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kylewm
Go is interesting, I'd be curious to hear your take on it KevinMarks
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rascul
i have this feeling that rust will solve all my problems i never knew i had, because mozilla
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rascul
mozilla has a way of doing that for me
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KevinMarks
I like the thinking it about about simultaneously reducing writing ceremony with compiler simplicity
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KevinMarks
the way that interfaces work is very smart
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benwerd
aaronpk / anyone, re: micropub - is it "syndicate" or "syndicate-to"? Wiki text and curl examples disagree
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aaronpk
ooh let me check
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benwerd
thanks :)
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kylewm
benwerd asking about micropub... that's exciting in and of itself
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benwerd
may or may not have an IndieAuth + Micropub plugin in testing
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Loqi
yay!
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KevinMarks
and I see you were chatting to heather too
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benwerd
KevinMarks: yeah, she was very generous with her time this afternoon. Fantastic conversation. What with her stopping by tonight, and Jeff on Friday, I'm feeling very lucky.
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aaronpk
benwerd: let's go with syndicate-to, I believe that's less ambiguous. also afaik know current implementations actually are sending that parameter :)
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benwerd
KevinMarks: And I came away with a zillion exciting ideas. Some of which may turn up by this weekend if I can get it together.
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benwerd
aaronpk: Thanks! I'll code that in. I didn't see it in OwnYourGram but I figured I'd be ready ;)
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KevinMarks
If you want a test case for importing various generations of websites, heather would be it
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aaronpk
benwerd: yep. ownyourgram sends the already-existing syndicated URL in the "syndication" parameter.
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benwerd
aaronpk: yeah - I'm not quite ready to handle syndication fields in that direction, but I'm playing with it
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aaronpk
i'm also considering how my site would indicate to a client like Quill which sites I can syndicate to
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benwerd
nods, that'd be a good thing to have
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aaronpk
my site currently supports. syndicating to twitter, facebook, github and indienews.
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aaronpk
obviously this list should not be hard-coded into every micropub client.
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benwerd
we're adding, eg, syndicate to Twitter Account A, Twitter Account B, Facebook Profile, Facebook Page, Some Other Facebook Page - so it's not even one per site
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aaronpk
so it's probably part of the initial login attempt
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aaronpk
oh good call, multiple accounts per domain
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aaronpk
so that's more like "syndicate-to=twitter.com/aaronpk"
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benwerd
although right now 'twitter.com' works just fine
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: I was also thinking similarly for "tags" for something like auto-suggesting tags in a micropub client
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benwerd
although, heh, OwnYourGram has triggered a squid error of all things. Good, good ...
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benwerd
takes a screwdriver to the server
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aaronpk
hm yeah pre-filling content will be important when these clients are used for replying, not just posting new things
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aaronpk
out for a bit... back later!
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KartikPrabhu
benwerd++ for micropub in known!
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Loqi
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benwerd
yay, thanks!
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Loqi
woot
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KartikPrabhu
a small nit: the known link in the footer puts utm stuff in the URL...
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KevinMarks
verynice
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KartikPrabhu
oo benwerd: KevinMarks not sure if you have seen this work-in-progress already but would love your feedback: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia making indie-"annotations" using webmention and fragmention :)
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KevinMarks
sounds good
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KevinMarks
that was part of the motivation for fragmention in the first palce
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KartikPrabhu
working on having "annotation"-like display with JS at the moment...
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benwerd
KartikPrabhu - really really super-nice
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benwerd
I love this so much. The combined work here has created a whole new layer over the web.
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KartikPrabhu
nods. so cool!
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benwerd
(Of course, my question is immediately: hmm, I wonder how we could adapt this to also work well for playable media ... but that's something for another night)
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KartikPrabhu
true. seems there is some media-fragments type spec already
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benwerd
Yep - could simply translate to that
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@benwerd
Single-user @withknown sites can now use IndieAuth and Micropub https://github.com/idno/IndiePub #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/481323085706973185)
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@bear
RT @benwerd: Single-user @withknown sites can now use IndieAuth and Micropub https://github.com/idno/IndiePub #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/481323403409113088)
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: Single-user @withknown sites can now use IndieAuth and Micropub https://github.com/idno/IndiePub #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/481326847301386240)
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KevinMarks
media-fragments points by time iirc
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KevinMarks
very nice KartikPrabhu
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KevinMarks
the medium ui for marginal comments is worth looking at for this too
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KartikPrabhu
thanks KevinMarks. fragmentions are neat as people can add marginalia already (like those on that article) this tricky bit is the displaying of those things... I am looking at Medium for clues :)
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KevinMarks
well, if you are on a laptop/desktop you probably have a wide margin to put them in
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KevinMarks
medium does subtle things on mobile screens too - showing that comments exist and scrolling sideways
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: yes. I have documented those http://indiewebcamp.com/annotation#Medium the Medium mobile UI seemed broken when I last looked at it
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KartikPrabhu
it seems complicated for sure
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KevinMarks
in chrome on android it works by showing a comment count icon by the para
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KevinMarks
then when you click it it highlights the para and shwos the comment underneath
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KevinMarks
it has a lot of depth to it
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KevinMarks
I don't think they have tested mobile firefox so much
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KevinMarks
safari and chrome work better
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KevinMarks
though if I use the back button I lose the page
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KartikPrabhu
hmm will try on Android. but i'd really like for it to work in some sort of "progreesively enhanced" way
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KartikPrabhu
s/Android/Chrome
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: hmm will try on Chrome. but i'd really like for it to work in some sort of "progreesively enhanced" way
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KevinMarks
yes, that would be nice. comments with replies are more complex (look at the fragmentions post on medium)
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: for instance Medium completely hides the margin notes if the JS does not work. Whereas with fragmentions I can at least out them at the bottom like normal comments
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KartikPrabhu
out = put
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KevinMarks
makes sense
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks: thanks for all the pointers. I hope to have this working in some form by IWC this weekend
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aaronpk
!tell benwerd omg congrats!! This is awesome news! I'm definitely going to mention it in my talk tomorrow!!!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@indiewebcamp
RT @benwerd: Single-user @withknown sites can now use IndieAuth and Micropub https://github.com/idno/IndiePub #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/481342040416854016)
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KartikPrabhu
interesting discussion occuring over comments https://the-pastry-box-project.net/marie-connelly/2014-june-24 cc: GWG
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petermolnar
good morning
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petermolnar
is anyone aware of a wordpress syndication to deviantart sta.sh api plugin? ( snap can only do journal entries, not actual submissions )
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@AAinslie
RT @benwerd: Single-user @withknown sites can now use IndieAuth and Micropub https://github.com/idno/IndiePub #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/481356700654792704)
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KartikPrabhu
petermolnar: not that I know. deviantart doesn't seem high on having a posting API last I checked. Though Angelo+team seem to be doing cool stuff
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KartikPrabhu
for instance their stash API 404s now
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petermolnar
that was the link I was checking as well
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petermolnar
Now I get it
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petermolnar
that api, the sta.sh api could be able to upload to sta.sh, but not actually submit to deviantart
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petermolnar
that's meaningless that way :(
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Loqi
*sniff*
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cweiske
loqi is not sorry :(
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Loqi
aww, cheer up
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@brennannovak
@codinghorror it would be awesome to implement #IndieWeb support into @discourse as little communities are... http://bnvk.me/NiN
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pfefferle
GWG nice! will definitely try it out!
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bnvk
Might be interesting to tinker on POSSE to the http://discourse.org platform
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bnvk
I'm gonna manually POSSE to it for now
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luxagraf
What's the best way to test my probably-not-working webmentions code? I was thinkingI I'd just use a second site, but that seems, I dunno, overkill
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cweiske
what do you want to test?
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luxagraf
that I'm correctly parsing incoming webmentions
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cweiske
and the two below
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luxagraf
cweiske: thanks.
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cweiske
webmention.org is down. 504 gateway timeout
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GWG
pfefferle: It is far from finished.
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JonathanNeal
KartikPrabhu: really looking forward to it, re your conversation about webmentions+fragmentions. Did you decide how you would append them to the DOM tree?
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pfefferle
cweiske: hmmm seems that the domain is in the clientTransferProhibited mode… strange
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gregorlove.com
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GWG
pfefferle: That reminds me, if you want to see the theme in progress, you can visit.. http://tiny.n9n.us/
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pfefferle
GWG thanks
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GWG
pfefferle: I value your feedback
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pfefferle
will try to check out the theme later today
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Loqi
corrected date per current FAQ page
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Loqi
[@raganwald] Will someone PLEASE build bar codes into 2FA so that I can hold my phone up to the laptop camera to sign in?
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kylewm
for someone authenticating (i.e. to see private content) into my site with indieauth, does it make sense to use their authorization_endpoint first and fall back on indieauth.com if it doesn't exist?
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cweiske
i'd say yes
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cweiske
although aaronpk told me he wants to implement authorization_endpoint support in indieauth.com
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cweiske
but then you're still relying on indieauth.com, which isn't indie
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cweiske
so using authorization_endpoint first is the sensible approach
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kylewm
thanks cweiske. i'm wanting to do add a micropub comment form, so i think i can authenticate them first and then later do the rest ofthe dance if they actually want to leave a comment
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Loqi
benwerd: aaronpk left you a message 8 hours, 24 minutes ago: omg congrats!! This is awesome news! I'm definitely going to mention it in my talk tomorrow!!!
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benwerd
aaronpk: whoa, thanks! And good luck with your talk! I'm sad I'm not there for it - super-interesting topic
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benwerd
just signed up for the Yo API, realized what he was about to do, and thought better of it
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PMurphs
app bubble's gonna burst soon, methinks
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gRegor`
aaronpk, kylewm, or anyone else: Any plans to do a session on micropub at IWC west? I'd be interested. Still wrapping my mind around it.
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aaronpk
Definitely
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aaronpk
Possibly more than one
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aaronpk
And would be happy to do a micropub workshop session on Sunday
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gregorlove.com
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bear
I plan on attending any micropub sessions - IWC is the only time it seems I get to work on my own site :/
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@pdmteam
Tantek Celik on "Why We Need the IndieWeb" at #PDF14 https://www.youtube.com/ @t
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gregorlove.com
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gRegor`
Did micropub originate with IWC?
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benwerd
aaronpk: on the subject of micropub, Quill and OwnYourGram are triggering squid's security features for me - I think maybe it's not sending content length or something? I'll investigate more and pull it out of the logs
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aaronpk
Very odd... I would have assumed they're sending a regular request because it's just using curl
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benwerd
It's very likely a squid configuration issue then
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benwerd
I'll take a look. Sorry to worry you ;)
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aaronpk
Let me know the error if you find it. Would at least be good to add a note to the wiki if it does end up being a squid configuration thing
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aaronpk
gRegor`: yes it did. It's also one of the few things I named myself and am happy about the name. :-) Usually I'm terrible at naming things
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gRegor`
Good job :)
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@osbridge
SCHEDULE CHANGE: @caseorganic’s talk “Intro to the IndieWeb: How Far Can We Go? “ is rescheduled to 10-10:45 tomorrow http://opensourcebridge.org/sessions/1369
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aaronpk
@MicropubInfo: "Chronicling the rise of the micropub movement in the UK. Micropubs serve great beer in a convivial setting."
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gRegor`
Haha
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Loqi
hehe
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gRegor`
hoho
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aaronpk
kylewm: re: fallback to indieauth.com, yes sort of.
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aaronpk
it's more like, use their authorization_endpoint first if it exists, otherwise look for other common providers (a Github profile, etc)
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aaronpk
indieauth.com doesn't ever need to be in the picture
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bret
aaronpk: are you at osbridge yet?
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aaronpk
bret: no, trying to finish my talk first
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bret
:p let me know if you need any help/an ear
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kylewm
snarfed: got a reply on twitter that Bridgy's not seeing at all https://twitter\.com/drone_police/status/481281391246594048 ... i think unrelated to posse-post-discovery
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snarfed
kylewm: looking
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snarfed
that backslash in twitter\.com seems suspicious. unrelated?
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kylewm
oh sorry yeah i was trying to prevent loqi from seeing it
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kylewm
but that just created more noise :)
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kylewm
looking at the logs from before 2014-06-23 21:00:00 ... i don't see any mention of it
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kylewm
maybe it has something to do with us not following each other?
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snarfed
moving to /msg
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@caseorganic
@osbridge SCHEDULE CHANGE: my talk “Intro to the IndieWeb: How Far Can We Go?" moved to 10-10:45 tomorrow! http://opensourcebridge.org/sessions/1369
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@aranasaurus
RT @caseorganic: @osbridge SCHEDULE CHANGE: my talk “Intro to the IndieWeb: How Far Can We Go?" moved to 10-10:45 tomorrow! http://t.co/Lqa…
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aaronpk
benwerd: any chance you could send me a screenshot of your note posting interface? or add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/Known ?
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benwerd
aaronpk: sure thing
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aaronpk
yay thx
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benwerd
aaronpk: I'll update the wiki too, but check your inbox
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benwerd
I sent you a variety for you to pick from
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@hhg2288
RT @scottjenson: http://camlistore.org is a cool personal cloud storage and services. If you're into the #indieweb you need to check this …
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aaronpk
benwerd: that's perfect. I'm actually going to use the browser extension as an example of a micropub client even if it isn't one
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aaronpk
cause it should be
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aaronpk
cause I don't want to write a browser extension myself :)D
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benwerd
I'm definitely going to write a micropub client. Not sure it'll be a browser extension to begin with though
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benwerd
(I want to make one that takes its cues from Medium's editor - something really elegant and full-page)
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aaronpk
ah awesome
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benwerd
But yeah, that's totally cool
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bret.io
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aaronpk
oh man i'm so sad about my site's broken unicode support
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aaronpk
i'm not really sure what changed, I could have sworn it was working properly not too long ago
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gRegor`
aaronpk: That's odd. HTTP header and <meta> are both set to UTF8
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gRegor`
Perhaps your mysql connection is not defaulting to UTF8?
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gRegor`
And are the table columns' collations set to utf8?
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aaronpk
it's not getting the contents from the database :)
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aaronpk
it's just plain files. and when I open them in vim I even see the emoji in my terminal!
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gRegor`
Oh, emoji...
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gRegor`
Sure the browser supports them?
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aaronpk
when i visit my local copy of my site that's served by my laptop everything looks fine. emoji and unicode
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gRegor`
Emoji didn't work for me on Twitter until they started replacing with their own graphics.
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aaronpk
so it's something about the server environment, I just don't know what else to try.
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gRegor`
Huh. Odd
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aaronpk
yeah I only see the emoji in safari
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gRegor`
Is it supposed to be showing the ampersand encoded versions in the source? &eth;
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aaronpk
oh that's weird
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aaronpk
it doesn't do that on pk.dev
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aaronpk
is this some sort of php setting then?!
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aaronpk
it must be something about the htmlentities function
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gRegor`
Run through htmlspecialchars() or something?
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gRegor`
Yeah, same for htmlentities
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gRegor`
Easy fix at least. :)
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KartikPrabhu
bloody everything should default to utf-8
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gRegor`
It does in PHP 5.4
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gRegor`
5.6+ uses default_charset
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gRegor`
"PHP prior to 5.4.0, ISO-8859-1 is used" Ew
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aaronpk
oh crap you mean I have to explicitly specify the encoding if i'm in 5.3?
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aaronpk
on each function call?
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gRegor`
Looks like it, yes.
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aaronpk
good lord
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gRegor`
mb handling in PHP has been pretty abysmal until recently
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gRegor`
Alternately, how difficult is it to upgrade to 5.4? I did it one-click recently. It's worth doing.
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aaronpk
yaaaayyy
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gRegor`
;)
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aaronpk
looks much better now
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aaronpk
i hacked it in, will have to fix that for real later
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gRegor`
woot!
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Loqi
giggles
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gRegor`
A box, a sun, scissors, and a box!
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gRegor`
(on Chrome)
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gRegor`
2/4 ain't bad
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gRegor`
utf8++
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Loqi
utf8 has 1 karma
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post-by-email
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aaronpk
hah you gotta be kidding
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snarfed
public service announcement for anyone using twitter's search API: it's *best effort*. no guarantees that it returns all matching tweets. (background: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/202)
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snarfed
i'd forgotten that, and so i spent an hour debugging just to rediscover it. whee!
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snarfed
search is hard, let's go shopping
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gRegor`
Haha
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gRegor`
Whoa, upload to wiki by email?
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gRegor`
Is this a vulnerability in Mediawiki?
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aaronpk
it's a plugin I wrote actually
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aaronpk
apparently I have to whitelist it now
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aaronpk
it makes it way easier to add photos from your phone
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gRegor`
Ah, nice
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Loqi
tantek: gRegor` left you a message on 6/23 at 4:48pm: I was going to duplicate the daily schedules on http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Schedule for East, but I don't know how many rooms you have.
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Loqi
tantek: willnorris left you a message on 6/23 at 6:26pm: had A rating since 2013-11 (https://willnorris.com/2013/11/improving-my-https-support). I think the “+” was only added recently for additionally having HSTS support
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tantek
!tell gRegor` we have two medium sized rooms at NYT - which we can open up into one big room.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor`
nudges Loqi
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Loqi
gRegor`: tantek left you a message 4 minutes ago: we have two medium sized rooms at NYT - which we can open up into one big room.
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Loqi
woot!
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tantek
!tell caseorganic - excited for you talk tomorrow! PDF2014 just posted my 13 minute "Why We Need The IndieWeb" high speed lightning talk: http://youtu.be/HNmKO7Gr4TE - feel free to re-use any/all material.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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tantek
!tell caseorganic here are my slides from m PDF2014 talk so you can copy/paste any new material that you find useful: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: does IWC - East have some set schedule?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: yes - similar to West
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KartikPrabhu
seems we don't have a pre-party place yet :P
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tantek
though I think aaronpk and I are working on aligning time slots / meals so that we can maximize joint sessions
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KartikPrabhu
yeah that would be cool
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Loqi
caseorganic: tantek left you a message 6 minutes ago: - excited for you talk tomorrow! PDF2014 just posted my 13 minute "Why We Need The IndieWeb" high speed lightning talk: http://youtu.be/HNmKO7Gr4TE - feel free to re-use any/all material.
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Loqi
caseorganic: tantek left you a message 5 minutes ago: here are my slides from m PDF2014 talk so you can copy/paste any new material that you find useful: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/
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caseorganic
!tell tantek: thanks for the slides! good timing as i'm making my slides for OSBridge and they're going to be Labyrinth-themed
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: re: pre-party, unfortunately I'm not getting into JFK until ~23:00 Friday night, so if we're going to do a pre-party you should either organize one without me (ping Jeremy when he's on here) or we can do one at midnight!
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Loqi
tantek: caseorganic left you a message 46 seconds ago: thanks for the slides! good timing as i'm making my slides for OSBridge and they're going to be Labyrinth-themed
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tantek
caseorganic - awesome!!! can't wait to see it!!!
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caseorganic
tantek: first ever themed talk. haven't ever done one before
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caseorganic
'how to get out of the silo labyrinth"
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tantek
caseorganic, I've also been adding to http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline as well to provide more background material
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caseorganic
tantek: i'm going to dress as the goblin king, of course. people are expecting that for some reason
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gRegor`
Labyrinth-the-movie themed?
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tantek
caseorganic: that is genius
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caseorganic
gRegor`: yes, labyrinth the movie
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gRegor`
Sweeeet
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KartikPrabhu
ha! nice...
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tantek
hopes aaronpk setsup a talky.io feed of caseorganic's talk!
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: what's your preference for pre-party?
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caseorganic
tantek: cool idea!
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I am fine with either! Midnight doesn't scare me :P
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tantek
caseorganic: if you need any more background research e.g. on /timeline or /history on the wiki, let me know and I can dig things up.
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caseorganic
tantek: thanks!
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tantek
citations and such
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tantek
I've been trying to add to both incrementally as I do my own research for my talks.
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KartikPrabhu
also jeremyzilar hasn't been here on irc in a longimte
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tantek
!tell jeremyzilar do you have any preference/plans for IndieWebCamp East pre-party this Friday night?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com
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tantek
brianloveswords: hey - you're back! how does your weekend look? excited for IndieWebCamp 2014 at the NYTimes?
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caseorganic
tantek: next time you give an indieweb talk you should dress up as neo
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brianloveswords
tantek: aw man, this weekend isn't great – Jess Klein (designer for the Foundation, you might have met her?) is getting married, I'm going to her wedding!
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tantek
caseorganic: I think I'm slowly headed in that direction (if you watch the YouTube you'll see)
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caseorganic
tantek: yes! especially the last line "i can only show you the door"
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tantek
caseorganic: yeah! I'm glad you liked that :)
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tantek
brianloveswords: bummer! can you make it for either part of Saturday or Sunday?
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tantek
(and don't think I've met her)
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brianloveswords
tantek: I'll see if I can make it for part of Sunday
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tantek
brianloveswords: that would be great! we'll be doing hack demos and such in the afternoon - and hopefully like last year we can run a little late so we can sync-up with IndieWebCamp West in Portland as they do their demos.
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tantek
brianloveswords: also, while you're hear, do you have any insight into the Mozilla / Open News / WaPo / NYT "web comments" initiative thing? is it just an announcement? is there running code? UI sketches? anything? anybody there know about indieweb comments? etc.
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tantek
s/hear/here
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: brianloveswords: also, while you're here, do you have any insight into the Mozilla / Open News / WaPo / NYT "web comments" initiative thing? is it just an announcement? is there running code? UI sketches? anything? anybody there know about indieweb comments? etc.
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@gRegorLove
Great talk by @t: Why We Need the IndieWeb. "User experience matters. People matter. Yes, design matters."
(twitter.com/_/status/481535062756708355)
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brianloveswords
tantek: just an announcement, there was some user experience research, but no UI sketches or anything.
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tantek
brianloveswords: sigh. that worries me. web comments are a *very hard problem* and announcement-ware is not a great start to something. :/
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I was wondering if some of those folks would be at IWC
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KartikPrabhu
beacuse they have been talking about identity and so on too
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tantek
alright, well, time to start asking around and seeing who is working on this in what open forum (IRC/wiki) and seeing if we can get any of those folks to show up to IndieWebCamp where we *do* have UX designs *and* running code
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brianloveswords
tantek: there is "running code" in the sense that the NYT has been working on stuff behind the scenes, but I that's some prototype stuff and I haven't seen it.
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tantek
yes - exactly KartikPrabhu
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brianloveswords
At least, that's what I understand and I could be wrong.
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tantek
brianloveswords: do you know who at the NYTimes? I mean, you do realize they are also HOSTING IndieWebCamp 2014 this weekend.
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brianloveswords
tantek: I have no idea *who* at the NYT, the last time I was involved in the discussions Aron Pilhofer was the point-person and he's left to go to the Guardian.
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tantek
would be great if you could ping the folks at NYT working on stuff behind the scenes to sign-up for IndieWebCamp - feel free to cc me and Jeremy Zilar
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tantek
huh ok
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tantek
behindthescenes--
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Loqi
behindthescenes has -1 karma
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KartikPrabhu
loqi likes behindthescenes
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Loqi
who, me?
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tantek
no just slow this morning.
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brianloveswords
haha, yeah. Again, that's just my understanding, and I could be wrong, tantek !
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tantek
gives Loqi an espresso.
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KartikPrabhu
loqi drink some coffee
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Loqi
hearts the espresso.
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tantek
Let's see if that helps
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: iirc I left jeremyzilar a message on irc about this. I don't think he's been around here to get it though
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donpdonp
once i've selected a provider, indieauth.com spins... endlessly
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tantek
aaronpk ^^^
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KartikPrabhu
dondonp: what are you signing into? also which provider?
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KartikPrabhu
sorry donpdonp^
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donpdonp
KartikPrabhu: indiewebcamp.com, tried twitter then github
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@Xangis
Wonderful #IndieWebCamp website death database mentioned by @pjf at #osbridge: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths
(twitter.com/_/status/481539184578932737)
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donpdonp
heh. im in that pjf talk.
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KartikPrabhu
twitter has been known to have issues, github usually works though.
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donpdonp
yup, github has been reliabl
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donpdonp
someone at the conf (opensourcebridge) said twitter was working now
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donpdonp
so i wanted to give it a try
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KartikPrabhu
oh yeah according to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth twitter should be working too
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tantek
donpdonp - hey are you coming this weekend? indiewebcamp.com/2014 ?
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tantek
and ping pjf to come too (he went last year)
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donpdonp
tantek: yes i'll be there
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tantek
(or is the indieauth question about signing into the wiki in order to RSVP? (crosses fingers) :) )
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donpdonp
ah yes :)
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Loqi
yay!
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tantek
good Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi is awake!
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gRegor`
anecdotally, sometimes I've found updating the URL in my twitter profile will make indieauth work when it didn't before. Something with the t.co URL shorteners. This was months and months ago, though.
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aaronpk
I can take a look at it donpdonp but not til after my talk ;-)
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donpdonp
can anyone else auth to indiewebcamp with any provider or is it just me
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tantek
aaronpk when is your talk? and can you get someone to talky.io it?
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donpdonp
aaronpk: heehee. okay. i have to leave the conf for a meeting right during your talk :(
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tantek
has been authing into indieauth via github and 2FA!
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aaronpk
At 2:30
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aaronpk
I left my camera at the office, probably too late to try to run and grab it
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kylewm
has anyone talked IWC West with nrrrdcore? ref: https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/481538857767161856
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@nrrrdcore
ok bye internet going to Portland, maybe never coming back
(twitter.com/_/status/481538857767161856)
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KartikPrabhu
donpdonp: it is working for me with github
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donpdonp
KartikPrabhu: ok thx
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tantek
oh man, I need to go get/make a quick lunch so I can be back in time for aaronpk's talk!
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tantek
is there an IRC backchannel (besides this one) or etherpad for aaronpk's talk?
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tantek
and who else here is attending? can you setup a camera or laptop with talky.io? maybe even use Quicktime to record it?
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aaronpk
I believe all the talks are being recorded now
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Loqi
woot
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aaronpk
Definitely audio, I think video too which is cool
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tantek
ok then just live streaming for those of us that love hearing this stuff in real time :)
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tantek
!tell KevinMarks did you make it up to Portland for #osbridge? Hoping to see you live-tweet some key talks ;)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
Sweet getting coworkers to bring the logitech camera
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donpdonp
there is some chat on #osbridge
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tantek
aaronpk awesome!
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tantek
rushes out to get lunch...
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aaronpk
No caps oops
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bret
nice! aaronpk++
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aaronpk
Mute your audio and video if you can to save everyone's bandwidth
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bret
ill take some notes but feel free to help me
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KartikPrabhu
how do you use talky with out camera. it does not allow me to do it
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gRegor`
KartikPrabhu: Cover the camera and click "Pause"
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gRegor`
It freezes your video image that way
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gRegor`
it is odd there's no audio-only option
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KartikPrabhu
hmm that worked i guess
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gRegor`
Kinda hard to hear
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gRegor`
giving up on it
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KartikPrabhu
hey that was me :P
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benwerd
avoids the temptation to "yo" aaronpk
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tantek
applauds benwerd
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tantek
's restraint
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KartikPrabhu
clap clap clap
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tantek
did someone ask about OpenID?
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@joshroppo
@aaronpk's https://indieauth.com/ looks like a really interesting tool to manage personal content on the web! #OSBridge #osb14
(twitter.com/_/status/481560514489618432)
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tantek
well done aaronpk!
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tantek
re: SSL "complicated" issue raised here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indieauth
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GWG
tantek: What is this about a pre-party?
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tantek
so back to re: SSL "complicated", as in requiring it for indieauth
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tantek
either you require https for your secure protocol on top of that, or you end up reinventing something that is likely more complicated and less secure (as what happened in OAuth1)
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tantek
or you leave users more vulnerable to semi-trivial attacks (OpenID)
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KartikPrabhu
yeah that was a strange question
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: not strange - it's been asked for the past 10 years on this subject
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tantek
and people at first tried the approach of layering something else on top of http (i.e. see OpenID and OAuth)
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tantek
but those turned out to make THOSE protocols a lot more complicated
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KartikPrabhu
yeah... that's what i gathered
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tantek
bigger libraries etc.
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tantek
so even *more* security surface / vulnerability
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tantek
that needs to be an FAQ for IndieAuth
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GWG
tantek: What am I looking for?
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tantek
pre-party :P
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GWG
It is blank, isn't it?
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: yes. that was the question. is there a pre-party in NYC. Tantek is not getting there until late on Friday night
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: Who else is there?
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tantek
GWG no it's not blank
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KartikPrabhu
hmm don't know the details
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tantek
indiewebcamp.com/2014#being+determined
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GWG
It says being determined.
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GWG
Who else isn't coming in late?
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tantek
right - that's the current status
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tantek
is handtyping fragmentions
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tantek
you know it's a useful thing when you resort to doing it by hand
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KartikPrabhu
does that a lot too :)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: GWG: it seems the existence of a preparty depends on whether there are people around. I'm reaching NYC Friday afternoon
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@benwerd
RT @joshroppo: @aaronpk's https://indieauth.com/ looks like a really interesting tool to manage personal content on the web! #OSBridge #os…
(twitter.com/_/status/481563663627595776)
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tantek.com
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: perhaps we need a wiki or etherpad for what time people are arriving / departing to coordinate this
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tantek
rather than the home page of the event
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GWG
KartikPrabhu: I live there
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GWG
So I'll be around
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: or on the guest list
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tantek
would you two like to coordinate at NYC pre-party? perhaps just drinks at a bar somewhere in Manhattan maybe not too far from the venue? (assuming folks are staying near the venue)
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tantek
GWG KartikPrabhu ^^^
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tantek
s/at NYC/a NYC
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KartikPrabhu
i don't know any places in NYC... but I could meet up and help out
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tantek
GWG lives there so he can help suggest places
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GWG
I live in Queens. I know some good restaurants in Manhattan, but not really bars.
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GWG
Mostly because I'm not really a drinker.
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tantek
I'm not much of a drinker either - could do a coffee place instead?
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aaronpk
hope the talky worked well!
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tantek.com
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /2014 (+58) "/* Get Your Flights and Hotel */"
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tantek
aaronpk - was a little hard to hear, but since I knew the topic mostly I could interpret what I heard
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: the sound was choppy but i could understand from the slide-topics
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tantek
sweet I think we have everything but pre-party covered for IWC East
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aaronpk
hm yeah, I was hoping the amplification would have made the sound more clear for the mic
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GWG
Jeremy works in midtown, he might have a good idea
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aaronpk
i was wearing a mic so the video will have good audio
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GWG
I'll see what I can track down
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tantek.com
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jden
is there a micropub implementation in node?
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aaronpk
bret's static site generator thing is in node
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
man making events is so much data entry
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aaronpk
i should make an h-event micropub client next
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tantek
aaronpk - hence needs better UI
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Loqi
agreed.
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aaronpk
google calendar is reasonable, I think I like that the best. facebook's is close, at least it progressively loads interface elements
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tantek
I've heard good things about gcal's UI - but I don't use it mysefl. I just annoyed with their supercrappy gmail integration.
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hawke.org sandro
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bret
jden: my micropub endpoint is a friggin mess
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bret
i want to clean it up this weekend
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jden
cool
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bret
would be nice to separate out make git one of many targets
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bret
and make*
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tantek
Interesting that Hawke.org put a w3.org URL as his URL in his RSVP to IWC 2014 East!
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tantek
in fact, his RSVP doesn't mention his own URL (that he used to sign-in!) at all!
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aaronpk
!tell j12t just got your email announcement to the indiebox list! That would make a great post on your blog! I'd love to link to it!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
http://hawke.org/sandro/ "I haven't felt like maintaining a personal website since the '90s. Here are some other sites/profiles/pages of mine..."
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tantek
I hope his feelings have changed and that's why he's coming to IndieWebCamp!
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aaronpk
seems likely!
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aaronpk
man it is *so weird* that I am automatically logged in to people's blogs by wordpress.com
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aaronpk
I see the wordpress.com header when I visit his site
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tantek
wait what?
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tantek
Tumblr does that too
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bret
when I log into the mocroformat blog i see the wordpress header
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aaronpk
across domains?
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tantek
you see the follow button typically
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tantek
well this should be interesting, Sandro's latest talk this past March is on " Building Social Applications with the Linked Data Platform" - posted online, in wait for it
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aaronpk
there's a "follow" button which makes sense
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aaronpk
but also there's a "new post" button which makes less sense since it's not my site and I shouldn't be able to post to it
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tantek
aaronpk - in Tumblr everything you do is a new post on your Tumblr
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tantek
whether you reply, reblog, or like
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aaronpk
tumblr is very indieweb-like. what do you suppose it would take to get them to adopt webmention or microformats?
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tantek
tumblr *UI* is very indie-profile-like
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tantek
I'd ask the opposite question first
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tantek
what would it take to get *us* to adopt a *UI* as nice as theirs?
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aaronpk
true :)
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aaronpk
let's do it
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tantek
single click seamless comment, reblog, like
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tantek
*that* would get them to take us more seriously
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tantek
(and everyone else to as well)
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tantek
this is something that Jay Wong pointed out at the very first HWC in SF - we need our indie UX to be as good as Tumblr
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aaronpk
agreed
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tantek
a nice UX is what will sell people on our protocols and formats
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tantek
which is why I keep showing examples of aaronpk, benwerd, caseorganic, etc. permalinks as content / UX that is possible using webmention + microformats2
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aaronpk
in order to do one-click likes and things, i'm pretty sure we're going to need browser extensions or browser support
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: what about that trust-less micropub idea?
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tantek
aaronpk - hence why I focused on /webactions so early
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aaronpk
yeah that gets pretty close
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KartikPrabhu
will propose a session on that too if that is of interest
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aaronpk
definitely! i'm hoping to finish getting the rest of this down on paper so people can understand it
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aaronpk
then build on it with more demos
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KartikPrabhu
100 people again!
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tantek
aaronpk, barnabwalters did some work on understanding/standardizing /webaction endpoints - can any of that help with using micropub for this?
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aaronpk
possibly. i'll have to review it.
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bret
aaronpk++ great job on the talk!
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Loqi
aaronpk has 503 karma
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aaronpk
tantek: barnaby and I were brainstorming on it here sort of http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Trust-Less_Micropub
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aaronpk
side note: I do like that we're using "Aaron" and "Barnaby" for these auth examples instead of "Alice" and "Bob" :-D
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aaronpk
bret: thanks! and thanks for the super notes
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tantek
odd that barnaby didn't connect that with his previous work! http://indiewebcamp.com/Web_Action_URL_APIs
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tantek
aaronpk - hey - you're in that list too!!
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bret
one sugestion: mix in a demo of the user facing log in process, I think that would illistrate the different peices before going in and explaining them
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bret
aaronpk: ^^
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aaronpk
bret: yeah, I think I needed a more complete user flow example before diving in
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aaronpk
I kind of showed it with screenshots, but it's different seeing it
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bret
i think that would give a good flow/structure for audience members to attach what they are hearing too
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aaronpk
i was thinking about including screenshots on the side along with the POST examples
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bret
maybe a video/screen recording would work/be predicable
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aaronpk
i might have to switch my slides to keynote/ppt in order to do that, I sometimes feel very limited with my layout options in html slides
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: when will the video for the talk be released?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: not sure. I think they're pretty good about it tho.
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tantek.com
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donpdonp
why does indieauth hate me? it used to work
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tantek.com
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KartikPrabhu
maybe aaronpk can look at it now that he's done with the talk ^^^^
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aaronpk
ohai donpdonp
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aaronpk
hm it's getting timeout errors
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aaronpk
hm so am i... is your site up?
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donpdonp
aaronpk: yes its up i get the list of providers no problem
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aaronpk
donpdonp: that's cached
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donpdonp
ah crap
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donpdonp
ive been having dns issues with donpark.org today
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Loqi
lolz
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donpdonp
i didnt connect two and two until just now. heh.
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KartikPrabhu
donpark.org not loading for me too
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aaronpk
np! it should be catching that error better
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aaronpk
so many edge cases
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tantek
a-ha, looks like with Andrei Sambra and Sandro Hawke (love these names!) we have the CrossCloud developers represented. Will be looking forward to asking them how to see CrossCloud running on their own domains. ;)
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aaronpk
what is crosscloud?
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tantek
they linked to it directly from their profiles, presumably going gently into a new space and not just immediately creating an article for it
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tantek
s/profiles/RSVPs
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: they linked to it directly from their RSVPs, presumably going gently into a new space and not just immediately creating an article for it
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tantek
"CrossCloud (redecentralizing the Web) " - http://crosscloud.org/
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aaronpk
oh they got a knight grant for it
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KartikPrabhu
was just about to paste that
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tantek
"planning to release demo software and toolkits in the fall of 2013" - um...
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tantek
someone please smack me (in IRC) if I ever lay any claims to when anything about Falcon will be shipping / available beyond what is live on my site / github
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kylewm
wow, Tim Berners-Lee
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KartikPrabhu
tests smacking tantek
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kylewm
tantek: particularly if those claims are in the past :P
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tantek
indeed - I had a good chat with TimBL during the W3C AC meetings in Boston a couple of weeks ago
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KartikPrabhu
did it work? :P
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tantek
unprompted at lunch time he asked me how the indieweb was doing
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kylewm
(sorry the surprise hasn't worn off of knowing people who are or know famous people)
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KartikPrabhu
good to know he's interested
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tantek
I was like whoa, cool. and then proceed to just give the dry update of what folks here have gotten working :)
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kylewm
nice! :)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: who's the 3rd dude?
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tantek
we walked from the meeting venue to coffee and chatted indieweb formats & protocols on the walks there and back
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KartikPrabhu
is soo n00b
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: cwilso <- google it
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tantek
he was particularly impressed with webmention, and then we got into discussing formats for publishing stuff on web pages (for stuff like comments), and I pointed out the longevity of HTML over any XML or JSON or any other formats
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donpdonp
ok dns fixed. indieauth is happy now. yeah i was assuming indieauth could reach donpark.org when i saw the list of providers
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tantek
(which all seem to come and go - the machine-centric formats that is)
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tantek
I think that argument struck a nerve with him
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tantek
he asked about microformats vs. schema vs. rdfa vs. microformats2 - which have had their own evolution over time inside the HTML
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aaronpk
donpdonp: yay!
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Loqi
yay!
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aaronpk
it used to go out and look at your site first, but I made it cache the list to drastically speed up the login process
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tantek
true I said, and then pointed out that the changes there have in general been fewer, slower, and more compatible than say, all the random XML vocabularies or all the custom JSON objects people make up in various APIs to represent information.
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KartikPrabhu
gets coffee while thinking about formats
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tantek
pitching the longevity of HTML to the man who invented HTML felt pretty weird I have to admit.
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tantek
but I felt like my arguments were sound so my feelings were irrelevant.
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tantek
s/felt like/knew
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: but I knew my arguments were sound so my feelings were irrelevant.
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aaronpk
heh that's pretty funny
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aaronpk
ok! indieweb events for pdx are posted on my site now! http://aaronparecki.com/events
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kylewm
tantek: thanks for relating that story, what a cool conversation
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tantek
kylewm - my point was that data in the HTML survives longer than anywhere else, than in XML (e.g. RDF/XML) or JSON (e.g. JSON-LD / linked-data), and thus data in HTML should be preferred for publishing, consuming, and building upon.
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kylewm
tantek: so is the explanation that HTML is more durable because you can look at it in a browser and see right away if anything is broken or missing
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bret
"confessions from a DBA: it upset my tummy so much I couldnt eat veggies for a year"
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Loqi
KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 59 minutes ago: did you make it up to Portland for #osbridge? Hoping to see you live-tweet some key talks ;)
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bret
(quote from the talk im in)