#indiewebcamp 2014-06-14

2014-06-14 UTC
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barnabywalters oooh php-mf2 is up to 567 downloads!
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tantek nice!
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aaronpk oh I also look at the date in URLs *all the time* in google searches to get a hint about whether the link will be relevant
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onewheelskyward Yeah. I hate write-ups without dates.
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@Johannes_Ernst .@benwerd: My first @withknown #indieweb (test) site working via #indiebox, this time using MySQL. http... http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=292 (twitter.com/_/status/477610938128809984)
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aaronpk ooo
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benwerd_ :)
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@indieboxproject RT @Johannes_Ernst: .@benwerd: My first @withknown #indieweb (test) site working via #indiebox, this time using MySQL. http... http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/477611425800544256)
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benwerd_ Soooooo ... Facebook now requires new applications to be hand-reviewed before they can be given posting access.
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benwerd_ This is news to me
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barnabywalters benwerd_: ew :(
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benwerd_ It takes 7-14 days
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aaronpk wat
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benwerd_ "If your app asks for more than than public_profile, email and user_friends it will require review by Facebook before your app can be used by people other than the app's developers."
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benwerd_ "The time to review your app is usually about 7 business days. Some extra-sensitive permissions, as noted below, can take up to 14 business days."
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benwerd_ muttley noises
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aaronpk oh man
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aaronpk I wonder if this is anything like the instagram comments access approval
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aaronpk they will only approve comments access to apps that are helping brands
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onewheelskyward Hadn't heard of the instagram thing.
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benwerd_ shakes his fist in the general direction of menlo park
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kylewm benwerd_, snarfed just went through that for Brid.gy. It was a hassle but I think only took ~3 days
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benwerd_ kylewm: good to know
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barnabywalters successfully implemented /authorship for Shrewdness, tested against https://jonnybarnes.net/notes!
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barnabywalters hopefully that’s the last bit of yak-shaving I’ll need to do for a while
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi night night
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@PersonaInc Who Really Owns Your Data? http://www.details.com/culture-trends/critical-eye/201305/sharing-biodata-on-apps-and-devices #PERSONAX #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/477613749595959297)
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@benwerd RT @Johannes_Ernst: .@benwerd: My first @withknown #indieweb (test) site working via #indiebox, this time using MySQL. http... http://t.co/… (twitter.com/_/status/477613842529128448)
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@KingGunn RT @PersonaInc: Who Really Owns Your Data? http://www.details.com/culture-trends/critical-eye/201305/sharing-biodata-on-apps-and-devices #PERSONAX #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/477614414355369984)
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tantek benwerd, could you add the FB app waiting thing to a new subsection at the end of http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Criticism
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werd.io edited /Facebook (+309) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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@veganstraightedge I use to think of a "message" as a separate post type. Now I think of an email address as another syndication endpoint. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/477629163931570176)
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@veganstraightedge 1. Write article/note on my site. 2. Set the in-reply-to URL to the (hopefully) public web archive of the mailing list message. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/477629671626928128)
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@veganstraightedge 3. Syndicate a copy of my article/note to the mailing list's email address from my site. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/477629839180980224)
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Loqi [@benwerd] @undermanager Great piece in Campaign. I think corporations & content creators *need* the indieweb
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Loqi founded @withknown to help them. (http://twtr.io/nPvCszzaFC)
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@withknown "maybe corporations should be investigating the IndieWeb – they might be fellow travellers." http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1298102/ (twitter.com/_/status/477669946617380864)
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@withknown "Maybe corporations should be investigating the IndieWeb – they might be fellow travellers." http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1298102/ (twitter.com/_/status/477670236074692609)
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@benwerd RT @withknown: "Maybe corporations should be investigating the IndieWeb – they might be fellow travellers." http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1298102/ (twitter.com/_/status/477670375107489795)
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@dotpeople Helps GOOG RT @withknown "Maybe corporations should be investigating the IndieWeb – they might be fellow travellers." http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1298102/ (twitter.com/_/status/477683442990469120)
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@saulcozens RT @withknown: "Maybe corporations should be investigating the IndieWeb – they might be fellow travellers." http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1298102/ (twitter.com/_/status/477707563296104450)
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@timmmmyboy RT @withknown: "Maybe corporations should be investigating the IndieWeb – they might be fellow travellers." http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1298102/ (twitter.com/_/status/477760565742686208)
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rascul what is preferred date/time format?
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rascul there's a standard somewhere that i should use?
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barnabywalters rascul: RE time formats, ISO8601 http://microformats.org/wiki/ISO8601
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rascul excellent, that's how i already have it
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barnabywalters !tell tantek what timezone do you post content in? all of the datetimes on tantek.com homepage are floating
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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rascul i wonder if it's worth trying to figure out what timezone the client is in and adjusting accordingly
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barnabywalters rascul: that was going to be my next question — when looking at a feed with posts from a bunch of different timezones, what should be shown?
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barnabywalters personally I think I would want to see the datetime without timezone for posts in the same timezone as me, and local times with the offset for other timezones
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rascul well i'm of the mindset that times should always be stored utc, and displayed utc unless it's known the timezone to adjust for
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rascul adjusting utc to whatever is much easier than adjusting from random timezone to my timezone
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barnabywalters as I trust the feed reader to be displaying them in proper chronological order, so the datetime is really there for context
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barnabywalters i.e. did they post this early in their morning, at lunch, etc?
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barnabywalters rascul: I’m talking specifically about displaying the timezones here
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rascul ahh
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barnabywalters I convert a copy to UTC and use that for all querying
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barnabywalters seconds can probably be safely dropped too
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rascul i'm not showing seconds
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barnabywalters the only cases where seconds are interesting are a) when viewing replies, so you can see the exact time gap between the two, and b) for the most recent real-time results
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rascul if you want that sort of precision about my posting habits you can decode my short urls and figure it out yourself :)
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barnabywalters in all other cases they’re a waste of space
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rascul barnabywalters oh i meant to comment: if it's not local time, then time zone should probably be noted somewhere
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rascul local to the client i mean
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rascul looks like one could use getTimezoneOffset() with some js to adjust from utc to local client side
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barnabywalters another example of even maintentance-free automatically generated hidden “metadata” going wrong on aaronpk’s homepage, in the og: and twitter: elements :)
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barnabywalters do we have a page for people-search? just spotted this on google.com: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4WaEem/
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rascul barnabywalters this might be useful https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/146646?hl=en
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rascul and this one https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/99170?hl=en
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barnabywalters I’ll believe it when I see an example of such in-search-box contact info for someone who’s never used Google+
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rascul i dunno what's possible but i'm going to play with it in due time to see what i can do
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@amblin @willia4 Going all in for #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/477839440899870720)
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aaronpk aw man stupid twitter tags
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters thanks for noticing my bad twitter/og meta tags! fixed now
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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jonnybarnes is anyone here using ZNC?
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kylewm I do
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jonnybarnes right, trying to get it set up
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jonnybarnes lets see if this works...
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jonnybarnes so apparently I'm connected via ZNC
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jonnybarnes though I needed to type msg NickServ identify ...
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jonnybarnes does anyone know how ti fix that?
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jonnybarnes think znc lets you connect with two devices at the same time (i.e. desktop and mobile)
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jonnybarnes wow, it does
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jonnybarnes I'll know if it works properly once somsone says something
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aaronpk waves
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jonnybarnes hi aaronpk
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jonnybarnes i typed /s/somsone/someone and nothing happened
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aaronpk that's cause there's an extra / there
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jonnybarnes the first one?
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aaronpk yeah
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jonnybarnes ok
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 51 minutes ago: thanks for noticing my bad twitter/og meta tags! fixed now
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barnabywalters aaronpk: :)
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barnabywalters noticed it whilst using your homepage feed as a test case for posts published in a different timezone
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I also found this, if you didn’t already see it: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4WaEem/
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi hehe
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barnabywalters (just updated with additional details I only just realised)
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barnabywalters does anyone else see these suggestions in google search results?
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@yatil @RobLen Ein Blog für beide Seiten, Sprachumschaltung, modernes Backend, einfache Unterstützung von diversen IndieWeb-Sachen. (twitter.com/_/status/477894150806065153)
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@benwerd @veganstraightedge I like this very much, but it means privacy is a hugely important part of the #indieweb. (twitter.com/_/status/477896742147342337)
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GWG I need some suggestions. Anyone around to give me an opinion on an incomplete implementation?
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jonnybarnes GWC suggestions on what?
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jonnybarnes GWG even
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GWG I'm working on context display
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GWG Over on my test site
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jonnybarnes ok
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GWG I'm trying to tweak the display and I need some feedback
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jonnybarnes ok
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GWG Have a look at http://tiny.n9n.us
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GWG And only the grey box within each entry. That's the only feature I'm working on
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jonnybarnes right
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GWG Any feedback? It isn't quite there yet
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GWG The infrastructure to support that took a while. This is the first displaying of the structure
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jonnybarnes whats going on with the second box down, it starts with two reply arrows
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GWG I know. It's a mistake I made
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GWG I'm going to fix it
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GWG There
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GWG Fixed
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jonnybarnes the grey boxes themselves look fine, I like how you've styled the quote starting with a big double quote mark
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GWG Oh, I didn't do that
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GWG That was the blockquote styling of the theme
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jonnybarnes the only thing I don't get on the page is the circles on the left
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GWG I'm designing so the block elements of the theme will override the styling
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GWG jonnybarnes: Also not mine
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GWG Watch...switched to the default Wordpress theme
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GWG I need minimal styling so that the theme settings will override
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jonnybarnes eurgh, yeah yor current set up looks better
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jonnybarnes s/yor/your
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Loqi jonnybarnes meant to say: eurgh, yeah your current set up looks better
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GWG The other one is Sempress...not mine
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GWG But it is mf2 compliant
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GWG I try to test plugins on a variety of themes.
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GWG Here we are in an unfinished theme
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GWG Where I am still styling elements
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GWG Response above the content or below the content?
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GWG !tell acegiak Version bump.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [mention] http://jdmcnicholas.com/blog/?p=50 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (pingback)
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@benwerd @veganstraightedge i.e., I want to use indieweb in place of all email, not just lists, but need to be able to control who can see my posts. (twitter.com/_/status/477935175335038976)
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bret interesting: http://developers.whatwg.org/introduction.html#history-1
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@brennannovak @benwerd @ShaneHudson @veganstraightedge @withknown @mapkyca are u saying what I think? PGP encrypted webmentions crypt'd to numerous keys? (twitter.com/_/status/477950306169679872)
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aaronpk that's odd... i'm getting back https URLs for instagram avatars that have an invalid certificate
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aaronpk https://photos-b.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/1168524_643919269027377_344801462_a.jpg