#indiewebcamp 2014-04-28

2014-04-28 UTC
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bear_ kbs - ooo - that does make me want to add pgp signature support - would be a great way to allow immediate comment posting
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kbs ah, didn't think of that application - nice :)
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bear_ phew - I made the train! the traffic around timesquare was *intense*
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bret aaronpk was thinking that @indiewebcamp should tweet all the group photos we take
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Loqi [@CassPF] IndieWeb stuff http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ supports archival aims: simple permanent links
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Loqi microformats, control of content. H/T @equivalentideas (http://twtr.io/khHNFwTSdx)
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bear.im edited /2014/NYC (+34) "adding &yet to sponsor list" (view diff)
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bret is IWC going to make it into the NYT?
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bear.im edited /2014/NYC (+566) "first pass at adding demo'd info to event page" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /2014/NYC (+60) "better name links" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /2014/NYC (-5) "/* Demos */" (view diff)
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GWG Are you guys still at the Times?
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GWG tantek: Your favorite on Twitter came as a Like.
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tantek good to know
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tantek nope we cleared out when we said we were shutting down
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GWG I was working
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GWG I may have missed it
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GWG How did it go today? Any new developments?
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek GWG - went great. Both Bear and JeremyZ made progress on showing webmentions on their sites!
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GWG I think I could help JeremyZ because he uses the same backend
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tantek I think he wants a facepile for likes like aaronpk has
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GWG tantek: That was the feature I just deployed yesterday. I told him I could help him.
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GWG I built it into the theme. I think he wants a plugin.
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GWG It is probably doable as a plugin
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kylewm what sets new ppl as "indie-visitor"
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kylewm m
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kylewm ?
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GWG Isn't it a web form on the wiki?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: it is the web IRC from the wiki
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kylewm ohhh
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GWG kylewm: I was looking at your site.
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GWG You keep your bio at the bottom.
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kylewm GWG: I do...right now it is mostly there for mf2 parsers to read
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GWG My next contemplation is the bio/h-card section of a site. Where people learn a little about you
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KartikPrabhu GWG: fwiw I keep it in the /about page instead of homepage
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I'm studying it
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KartikPrabhu :)
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kylewm !tell kbs ha, noticed your “kludgemention”. is the point of signing so i can recognize comments from known friends, when they're not posting on their site?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi kbs: kylewm left you a message 53 minutes ago: ha, noticed your “kludgemention”. is the point of signing so i can recognize comments from known friends, when they're not posting on their site?
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kbs kylewm: tbh, mostly was a fun quick hack - but it might serve as an additional defence for identity-spoofing, hacked sites and (as you point out) if someone puts content outside their indieweb domain
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+340) "demos at start and at finish" (view diff)
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kbs eg: identity-spoofing - (right now at least) you can see that most of the webmention implementations just use hcard info in the html to identify the poster, which is not so reliable and can be easily changed.
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+98) "add more sponsorships that we got! link Chloe" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/NYC (+23) "move sponsors up higher, and push organizers section down to bottom" (view diff)
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rknLA good evening
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GWG Evening rknLA
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rknLA how's things?
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GWG Working on some things before bed
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rknLA cool. whatcha workin on?
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GWG A rundown for tomorrow...well, today now
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rknLA heh, cool. have you been at the event inNYC?
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GWG I was there, yes
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rknLA reading back some of the logs.. looks like a good time
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GWG I was only there one of the two days
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@timklapdor Reading about POSSE: Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere and getting a bit excited. Gamechanger! https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/460650622782414848)
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@wraithgar OH “Self sign your certs #indieweb” (twitter.com/_/status/460657940987265024)
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@W6AZ .@dangillmor Why the Indie Web Movement is So Important - “re-decentralization” of the Net. #indieweb http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ (twitter.com/_/status/460690698505711616)
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@leogaggl Welcome to the Indie Web Movement - good to see some press for #indieweb - distributed content creation... http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/25/indiewebcamps_create_tools_for_a_new_internet.html (twitter.com/_/status/460704352236101632)
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@ITTEorg #itteorg stand up for the IndieWeb http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ (twitter.com/_/status/460704744638795776)
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Loqi voxpelli: bret left you a message on 4/10 at 9:19am: I implemented deleted posts using http equivs, at least the delete part: http://bret.io/2014/04/09/deleted/
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jonnybarnes hey all
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voxpelli jonnybarnes: hi
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KartikPrabhu hello!
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jonnybarnes could someone do me a favour? I think I can now receive webmentions on my notes. Could someone try and reply? https://jonnybarnes.net/note/52
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voxpelli jonnybarnes: if you have your site locally, then try https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger
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voxpelli jonnybarnes: it pings your endpoint with a wide variety of real site’s markup, it doesn’t do discovery of your endpoint though
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: I got a 400. There was an error parsing the content from your site from http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/barnes-test-mentions
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cweiske jonnybarnes, your website's font rendering in chromium is funny: http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2014-04-28%20chromium%20font%20rendering%20jonnybarnes.png
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cweiske firefox is fine, though
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: those are ligatures which might be supported in chromium now
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cweiske oh. so it should look that way?
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KartikPrabhu yup. also see the font on this one
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KartikPrabhu http://jkphl.is/articles/indie-as-in-individuality/#top
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jonnybarnes KartikPrabhu: I have possible found the problem. I'm using barnabywalter's php-mf2 library to get the microformats, if I paste the HTML of http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/barnes-test-mentions into http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ it returns an empty array
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KartikPrabhu hmm really!
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KartikPrabhu weird ok will fix
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jonnybarnes KartikPrabhu: hong on my bad
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jonnybarnes hang even
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: you can turn on ligatures in Firefox using -moz-font-feature-settings: "liga", "dlig", "clig"
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cweiske I don't like them :)
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KartikPrabhu aah sure. there are a typography thing that actually look great in certain fonts :)
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@weblearning Why the indieweb? 'Cause the web is becoming a claustrophobic space where we consume, not build & own http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ (twitter.com/_/status/460715026886971392)
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KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: honging! fwiw I think my markup is sound: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkartikprabhu.com%2Fnotes%2Fbarnes-test-mentions
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jonnybarnes KartikPrabhu: I think I know whats going on. I take the output of php-mf2 and select the author details, reply, and date and save that to my db. I think my code is borking on the date
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jonnybarnes my code: http://laravel.io/bin/ekwyo
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jonnybarnes I think for your site the published value doesn't contain an array
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KartikPrabhu form the pin13.net output which is using php-mf2 it does seem to an array
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KartikPrabhu man! so many typing fails! :P
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voxpelli jonnybarnes: the markup of KartikPrabhu doesn’t look very different from others in the published regard?
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voxpelli main difference I see is that the a-tag is within the time-tag rather than the other way around which seems to be what most others do
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voxpelli gathered some examples here: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/tree/master/templates
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KartikPrabhu voxpelli: hmm that shouldn't affect the mf-parsing
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voxpelli KartikPrabhu: I agree
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@dreamweaver Fragmention adoption could help annotate the web better. Will you use it? http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention##Challenges (twitter.com/_/status/460720090497814528)
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@kevinmarks RT @dreamweaver: Fragmention adoption could help annotate the web better. Will you use it? http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention##Challenges (twitter.com/_/status/460722463878287360)
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jonnybarnes hello?
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jonnybarnes webmentions weren't working, I hope they are now.
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jonnybarnes I'm right in thinking, that I know for example barnabywalters left me a reply that failed to be processed by my site
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jonnybarnes if I think I've fixed my code I can just open a terminal on my laptop and type `curl -i -d "source=http://waterpigs.co.uk/...&target=https://jonnybarnes.net/note/49" https://jonnybarnes.net/webmention
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: when I try manually sending the webmention I get this error:
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barnabywalters curl https://jonnybarnes.net/webmention -d source=http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VoBSU/ -d target=https://jonnybarnes.net/note/52
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barnabywalters There was an error parsing the content from your site
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jonnybarnes right
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barnabywalters now I get mkdir(): Permission denied
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barnabywalters progress!
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jonnybarnes indeed
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jonnybarnes slightly more progress
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jonnybarnes now HTMLPurifier is plaing up
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: do you have really strict error reporting turned on? the same thing happens for me but I just ignore it
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barnabywalters pretty sure HTMLPurifier just wants to cache stuff
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jonnybarnes yeah, error in my code, now, before I fix this, in PHP, can I do `throw new MyCustomException('message here');` or will PHP complain that the exception is undefined?
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jonnybarnes basically, Im currently doing catch(Exception), and thats catching HTMLPurifier's exception
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barnabywalters well if the class MyCustomException exists and is a subclass of \Exception, then yep that should work
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aaronpk good morning!
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jonnybarnes morning aaronpk
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barnabywalters morning aaronpk!
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@localherodotbiz @LegendaryPKMN how is this indieweb? Stop spamming the hashtag (twitter.com/_/status/460761362029748224)
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aaronpk lol
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: its there!!!! on my site
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jonnybarnes wooooo
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aaronpk argh all the coffee places near me aren't open for another hour
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icco aaronpk, thing that annoys me most about London: On weekends, most coffee shops don't open till 10am.
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aaronpk oh man
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aaronpk yeah here they open late but that usually just means 8am or 9am instead of 6 or 7.
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: excellent work! congratulations!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: so does everything happen earlier in the US?
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barnabywalters (context: your earlier comment about lie-ins being a weird british thing)
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: those embedded comments look really good, and are well marked up — you should make them p-comment properties of the parent h-entry
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barnabywalters e.g. <div class=“p-comment h-cite”>…
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aaronpk barnabywalters: no I just never heard the term "lie-in". I would have said "to sleep in" instead of "a lie-in"
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ah, that makes sense
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barnabywalters a language difference rather than a cultural one
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@BarnabyWalters Shipped this weekend during #indiewebcamp NYC: http://t.co/TVFz4UFvyl, the beginnings of a… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4VoDmW/ (twitter.com/_/status/460777084236079104)
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bnvk Anyway wanna make an #IndieWeb tablet? http://gizmodo.com/you-can-build-this-elegant-rapberry-pi-tablet-yourself-1500900271
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bnvk er rather proper link http://mkcastor.com/2014/01/02/pipad-build/
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aaronpk and beat aral to the punch? no thanks
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aaronpk sweet looking case tho
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barnabywalters wood and carbon fibre? awesome!
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barnabywalters very steampunk
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bnvk yah
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barnabywalters needs more brass though ;)
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bnvk definitely
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bnvk "Here at SteamPad© a nice and heavy weighted tablet is something we strive for. Each tablet contains 12oz. of solid brass- so you know you're holding something worthwhile"
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barnabywalters “here at posh-wood-co we insist that all tablet enclosures be machined out of a solid block of ebony, cocobolo or flamed walnut“
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barnabywalters bnvk: Phil’s apprentice at the totnes school of guitarmaking is obsessed with brass decoration on guitars
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barnabywalters his first one had brass lining all over the headstock
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bnvk yes, I would like mine in flamed walnut, thank you very much
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barnabywalters it was so awkwars, that Phil now refuses to let anyone do anything with brass at the school :)
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bnvk barnabywalters: that's awesome
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barnabywalters IIRC the knobs were dice, machined out of solid brass
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barnabywalters it’s a… unique quitar
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barnabywalters argh
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barnabywalters guitar
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bnvk sounds like a gem
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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barnabywalters morning ben_thatmustbeme
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aaronpk was just reminded of this http://blog.pinboard.in/2012/01/the_five_stages_of_hosting/
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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jonnybarnes barnabywalters: can it be <div class="h-entry">My note</div><div class="p-comment h-cite">Your reply</div>?
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jonnybarnes or do the comments need to be nested inside the h-entry div?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: the p-comment has no effect there
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barnabywalters they need to be in the h-entry element
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barnabywalters but there’s no reason why the h-entry needs to be a div
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barnabywalters it can be on <body> or <html>
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barnabywalters I put mine on <html>
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barnabywalters on permalink pages — because there’s no real reason for anything on that page to not be a property, or at least child of the note
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@t @ftrain great meeting you @indiewebcamp! True about XSLT. It's the reliable smarts behind http://t.co/gdtKzXu11j. (ttk.me t4Vo1) (twitter.com/_/status/460786701573844993)
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@leehammond RT @ChrisSaad: [Blog Post] The challenge with developing Open Standards http://chrissaad.com/professionalblog/2014/4/the-challenge-of-developing-open-standards #indieweb #dataportability tip @Techmeme (twitter.com/_/status/460810032511070208)
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@EsriPDX Great to see @Slate talking about the #IndieWeb, and with quotes from @caseorganic and @aaronpk no less. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/25/indiewebcamps_create_tools_for_a_new_internet.html (twitter.com/_/status/460817381091049472)
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@ungoldman RT @EsriPDX: Great to see @Slate talking about the #IndieWeb, and with quotes from @caseorganic and @aaronpk no less. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/25/indiewebcamps_create_tools_for_a_new_internet.html (twitter.com/_/status/460818821083705345)
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brainTrain ah ha I finally made it
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brainTrain havent' logged into IRC since 2003
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barnabywalters greetings brainTrain!
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barnabywalters welcome to #indiewebcamp
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brainTrain Thanks barnaby
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brainTrain I was one of the n00bs at the sf website meetings last week
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brainTrain picked a url to indiewebz with but am gonna get my other friend set up with a box for him to start playin around with static site stuffs tonight
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brainTrain actually we're just gonna be at amsterdam cafe some time after six if anyone wants to come and get nerdy at a bar with us. They are the original standing desks after al
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barnabywalters brainTrain: nice — I don’t know if you’ve already seen it but http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started is a good reference for getting started
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barnabywalters and, of course, just asking in here
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brainTrain yeah I took a look, seems pretty straight forward for public profiles
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brainTrain I wanna set something up that lets me integrate with both private and public posts
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barnabywalters brainTrain: what do you mean by “integrate”? you want to publish private posts?
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barnabywalters generally we have found that starting with public posts is simpler because it allows a lot of problems to be worked out without worrying too much about privacy or security UX/plumbing
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barnabywalters both of which are very difficult to get right
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brainTrain yeah I'm going to start with my twitter cause it's all public
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brainTrain and I dont' wanna deal with ssl certs for my site right now
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brainTrain but one thing I want to do is essentially turn it into a django server and allow myself to have public vs private accounts like facebook which for me is completely locked down
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brainTrain but I'll definitely ask you guys questions once the rubber starts hitting the road with my url and indieweb tool
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brainTrain but yeah I'm pretty decent at the secure login deal, it's fun stuff
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@windley Why the Indie Web movement is so important http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ from @dangillmor #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/460832105291739136)
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@LowKeyRider11 @shameerurdu have you heard of the POSSE concept with blogs? Interested in implementing this: https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE...thoughts (twitter.com/_/status/460832125625724928)
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ben_thatmustbeme welcome brainTrain
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brainTrain thanks ben!
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@dckc @t @ftrain @indiewebcamp it would be cool to be able to follow my nose from http://h2vx.com to the XSLT that powers it. (twitter.com/_/status/460841056997625856)
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KevinMarks_ shudders at xslt
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@dckc so close and yet so far! I'm flying to SFO but I'll miss the next homebrew @indiewebcamp meeting by a couple days. (twitter.com/_/status/460841750706130944)
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@aaronpk @dckc Took a few clicks, but managed to find it! https://github.com/microformats/h2vx.com /cc @t @ftrain @indiewebcamp (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/04/28/1/) (twitter.com/_/status/460841942406791168)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/04/28/1/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ playing with the "create fragmention" in the chrom plugin, it feels like it should put it on the clipboard?
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aaronpk oh cool, how'd that get there
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@dckc @aaronpk @t @ftrain @indiewebcamp cool. Looks like not all the history has been preserved. oh well. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/127 (twitter.com/_/status/460843374623223808)
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@aaronpk @dckc That's Twitter Cards at work. http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter_Cards https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/04/28/2/) (twitter.com/_/status/460844919054016512)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/04/28/2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter_Cards (webmention)
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KevinMarks_ Jonathan added it at the weekend
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aaronpk very cool
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bear welcome brainTrain! it would be great if you added yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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kylewm brainTrain: this^ once you are set up with IndieAuth
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bear did the group photos from this weekend get uploaded yet? (hmm, I guess that's a passive aggressive request for the upload since I can see that they are not on the wiki - doh!)
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@bear this is the cool statue I ran across while at IndieWebCampNYC this past weekend http://twitpic.com/e2clbr #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/460854922897285120)
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@delana_forsyth RT @bear: this is the cool statue I ran across while at IndieWebCampNYC this past weekend http://twitpic.com/e2clbr #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/460855330683908096)
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KartikPrabhu Finally made a facepile for responses! http://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog#responses :D
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: looks great!
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snarfed typo, Resposts
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snarfed you might also consider putting it above the comments, but up to you
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KartikPrabhu boo! that's why never do these things at 3am :P
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I wanted the actual comments to be more prominent and likes/reposts as "secondary activity"
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ben_thatmustbeme i like resposts. sounds like a better way to spell it to me
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: fair enough
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: I've written resposts and reponses a bunch of times ;)
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KartikPrabhu I still want to somehow figure out "reposts/likes" with useful text in them somehow
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, like if someone reposts and includes a comment about it, or text when they like it
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KartikPrabhu yeah. i think those are more useful than just simple "likes/reposts"
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KartikPrabhu for instance this one by kylewm is currently in the reposts facepile, http://kylewm.com/share/2014/03/27/1 but I want it to appear with text
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, it'd be hard depending on how you define "Useful"
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ben_thatmustbeme "I like this" and then a link, isn't too useful, but determining the difference between that and actually useful text is a bit hard.
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is where I am stuck! I could use word count but we'll see I'll play around with that
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ben_thatmustbeme thats a pretty hard problem since there are so many variations. just thinking out loud, maybe try to filter out words such as "I", "like(d)", "love(d)", etc and look at word count after that.
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kylewm.com edited /Twitter_Cards (+376) "added note about conditionally serving metadata based on user-agent" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu ben_thatmustbeme: that is an interesting way! thanks!
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: just another datapoint, I use message body for the alt text on the face image… good enough for very short messages
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kbs kylewm: thanks for note - did you already see my response? [didn't send it via Loqi]
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Loqi you're welcome
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: you mean on the title so it shows up on mouseover?
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kylewm oh oops you’re right, the title!
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kylewm kbs: yes I did see it, I was glued to IRC all weekend :)
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kbs kylewm: ah, okay :)
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KartikPrabhu that is not very mobile-friendly, but it is an interesting approach. I'm doing that with the post-title of mentions right now
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kylewm kbs: definitely a fun experiment
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: yeah, actually it’s a pretty ugly hack … see e.g., http://kylewm.com/note/2014/04/27/1#likes
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kylewm GWG’s nice note turns to garbaggio
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KartikPrabhu I think it is quite readable, but I wouldn't like it if I couldn't see it on mobile. This is an interesting probelm
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KartikPrabhu one solution is manual moderation to "promote" some reposts/likes to show full-text
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kylewm interesting
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kylewm I guess the problem is that something could be “like” and a “mention” at the same time
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kylewm just like it could be a “reply” and “like”
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aaronpk has anybody POSSE'd a facebook comment yet?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yup. grading responses is hard.
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aaronpk well here's an attempt http://aaron.pk/r4Vo3
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: did you use bridgy/publish?
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snarfed aaronpk: yeah, bridgy publish has been posseing fb comments
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kylewm aaronpk: did it work? and if so is the original post non-public?
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aaronpk no I did that manually
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aaronpk cool, I didn't know bridgy publish does comments too!
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snarfed totally! it's pretty polyglot. https://www.brid.gy/about#reply
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snarfed RSVPing is probably the most exotic one
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kylewm manually like copy/paste, or manually like manually calling the API? :)
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aaronpk manually manually
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aaronpk copy/paste
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aaronpk i usually do that a few times first before i figure out how i want to automate things
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aaronpk will bridgy find the "likes" of my comment on facebook?
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snarfed nah, only for posts
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snarfed twitter gets that for free since replies and RTs are normal tweets
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kylewm nonsequitur, but i’m surprised facebook is still sticking to such a small default font size, especially for comments
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kylewm well, just barely sequitur
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aaronpk snarfed: lol I like your "shameless plug" for ownyourgram
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snarfed heh true!
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brainTrain I just skimmed the chat, I'll add myself to this list: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people once I get my site integrated with twitter
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kylewm brainTrain: what’s the twitb.io url in your twitter profile? and i guess more specifically, is it down forever or just temporarily?
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@t Thanks @jeremyzilar @nytimes for hosting @IndieWebCamp NYC, lunches sponsor @andyet, and @Mozilla for Saturday dinner! (ttk.me t4Vo2) (twitter.com/_/status/460889754956226560)
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brainTrain aw bummer :(
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brainTrain it was one of my friend's projects that he finished like 3 or 4 years ago
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brainTrain It was working last week, looks like he finally took it down :/ dude's starting his own company right now so I imagine he's a bit bisy
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brainTrain *busy
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tantek interesting anecdote about people blogging less after Google Reader shut down: https://twitter.com/fredbenenson/status/459888082905747456
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@fredbenenson Cleaning out my RSS subscriptions in an attempt to start reading blogs again. Sad how many gave up around the time Google Reader was killed (twitter.com/_/status/459888082905747456)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/460844919054016512/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter_Cards (webmention)
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@jeremyzilar RT @t: Thanks @jeremyzilar @nytimes for hosting @IndieWebCamp NYC, lunches sponsor @andyet, and @Mozilla for Saturday dinner! (ttk.me t4Vo2) (twitter.com/_/status/460894571736870912)
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jeremyzilar Hello world !
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KartikPrabhu hi jeremyzilar!
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silencematters.com uploaded /File:sunday.jpg "The Sunday crew at IndieWebCamp"
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jeremyzilar I am just here for a moment.
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jeremyzilar Uploading the photo from the SUnday IWC
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jeremyzilar http://indiewebcamp.com/File:sunday.jpg
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tantek is going to suggest renaming those photo uploads before they get embedded ;)
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bear cheers jeremy
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tantek that and http://indiewebcamp.com/File:saturday.jpg
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kbs just curious to put names to faces - I recognize tantek and bear in sunday.jpg - who are the others?
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tantek kbs - check out the Guest_List :)
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kbs oh, okay :)
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KevinMarks_ I spy Brian Behlendorf
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@bear RT @t: Thanks @jeremyzilar @nytimes for hosting @IndieWebCamp NYC, lunches sponsor @andyet, and @Mozilla for Saturday dinner! (ttk.me t4Vo2) (twitter.com/_/status/460908618146390017)
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kylewm.com edited /Twitter_Cards (-1) "/* User-Agent */ s/User-Agents/User-Agent/" (view diff)
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kbs nice - thanks for /guest_list and links :)
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bear documentation and access are the hallmarks of a successful project IMO - so glad IndieWeb has both and more
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tantek kylewm do you have any examples of your use of UA-conditional Twitter Cards? E.g. permalink of your original, POSSE tweet, and screenshot of POSSE tweet showing the Twitter Card?
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tantek.com edited /Twitter_Cards (+208) "note examples are actually Silo YouTube Examples, create separate IndieWeb Examples section for actual indieweb site/post cards, put UA doc near top for easier discoverability" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - the way this looks is particularly nice/interesting with "View on aaronparecki.com" as the equivalent of "See original post" on FB POSSE copies. https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/460844919054016512
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@aaronpk @dckc That's Twitter Cards at work. http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter_Cards https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/04/28/2/) (twitter.com/_/status/460844919054016512)
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tantek definitely worth adding to http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter_Cards#IndieWeb_Examples with a screenshot that clearly shows the "View on aaronparecki.com" bit
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tantek aaronpk - would also be interesting to get your thoughts on only providing Twitter Cards based in UA per http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter_Cards#User-Agent so as to avoid polluting web crawlers in general.
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KevinMarks_ except you get the "same thing 3 times" problem
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tantek KevinMarks - when aaronpk posts his screenshot, you can add that as a critique of that particular implementation ;)
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KevinMarks_ heh.
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tantek one could also provide blank text in the Twitter Card summary, or however much additional text would fit after ellipsing a long tweet.
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tantek always possible iterative improvements
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tantek however
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KevinMarks_ or an ornate image rendering the note in calligraphic text over a picture of the stars
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tantek the key thing that makes aaronpk's approach interesting and cool is that it ends with "View on aaronparecki.com"
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KevinMarks_ I do liek that bit, yes
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kylewm.com uploaded /File:kwm-twitter-card.png "example twitter card for an article on kylewm.com"
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KevinMarks_ though then people will click through and say "now I read this 4 times"
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tantek unless your original has more comments/faves etc., or is longer than the tweet, etc.
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kylewm.com edited /Twitter_Cards (+200) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ added links and screenshot" (view diff)
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kylewm hmm, interesting that mine says “View on web” not “on kylewm.com”
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kylewm must be missing twitter:domain
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tantek kylewm - right, this is why I wanted to see aaronpk's documentation of how / what he's doing
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tantek so we can make it easier for others to get that same cool effect
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kylewm that’s an argument against serving conditionally :)
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tantek you can put in a debug hack like ?ua=Twitterbot
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KevinMarks_ you could put your photo in twitter.img.src to get a bigger face
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KevinMarks_ ooh
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KevinMarks_ this is how we could do facial expressions per tweet
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kylewm that is brilliant!
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tantek kevinmarks lol
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tantek kylewm - looks like aaronpk is using: <meta name="twitter:domain" content="aaronparecki.com">
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tantek which makes me wonder if that could be further improved, e.g.
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tantek <meta name="twitter:domain" content="aaronparecki.com original post">
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tantek and thus make Twitter show the text "View on aaronparecki.com original post"
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tantek assuming twitter is simply concatenating strings for this effect
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KevinMarks_ it derives it from the URL it says
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tantek KevinMarks: yet look at how it does not derive it from the URL in kylewm's example
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kylewm interesting, domain seems to be an undocumented property?
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kylewm also https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards/types/product-card shows custom text “Get the Etsy App”
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KevinMarks_ it's documented here: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/cards/validation/validator
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KevinMarks_ there are mutiple types
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kylewm ah ha
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KevinMarks_ there's a "buy this thing" type
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KevinMarks_ though actually it just give s 2 extra key/value pairs
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KevinMarks_ data1 label1 data2 label2
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KevinMarks_ so you could cheat that for RSVPs
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kylewm https://twitter.com/kyle_wm/status/460918876574711808
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Loqi [@kyle_wm] What happens if the domain is longer?
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kylewm tantek: ‘twould appear that domain can be != your URL
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tantek kylewm brilliant! well done. screenshot that and write it up as a how to! :)
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kylewm.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:kwm-twitter-card-custom-domain.png]]""
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kylewm.com edited /Twitter_Cards (+408) "added Custom Domain String section" (view diff)
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kylewm between my name and domain, “Kyle” is in that screenshot ~7 times
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kylewm 8
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GWG What's going on?
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kylewm hey GWG, pretty quiet today. we’ve been playing with Twitter Cards
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GWG Oh?
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GWG What about them?
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