#indiewebcamp 2014-04-03

2014-04-03 UTC
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kbs oddly enough, I started down that path - but the g+ profile api does not return me the rel=me links
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kbs even though it's public in the html
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KevinMarks doh, did they break that
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snarfed kbs: hmm. i get those links. maybe you need another oauth scope?
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KevinMarks it was in the /m8 scope orignially
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kbs snarfed: hm. I'm assuming you're referring to the unauthenticated scope, right? [I just get an application key with access to the g+ api]
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snarfed oh, no, i oauth. don't you have to? maybe i'm misunderstanding
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snarfed looks like the only oauth scope i ask for is https://www.googleapis.com/auth/plus.login
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KevinMarks meh, they broke this one: https://developers.google.com/google-apps/contacts/poco/
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kbs well, I wouldn't actually want to get you to give me access to your data I guess [meaning the whole oauth login dance.] I just want to access the publicly available information about a person
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kbs and that theoretically takes just an appkey [I get other info, just not the rel=me links, or whatever random section they've classified this as]
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snarfed kbs: i see. eh, tradeoffs. i wouldn't worry about asking for it, but thats' me
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snarfed KevinMarks: hmm, maybe i should add g+ to https://github.com/snarfed/portablecontacts-unofficial
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kbs snarfed: ah - my mistake. The context here, is that I'm running a local process that gets a url [say snarfed.org] then crawls the web to discover all the rel=me sites and vcards, and gives me back something interesting to add to my contact book
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snarfed kbs: ah, right, so you can't ask. yup, then your
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snarfed …options are scrape, app auth, or user auth as yourself
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KevinMarks g+ profiles are still scrapeable
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KevinMarks afaik
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kbs yes - though I need to figure out its various markup styles
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kbs eg: g+ uses rfda, youtube uses og: and twitter:
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KevinMarks really? rdfa?
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kbs it uses itemprop=foo -- is that rdfa? :)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+130) (view diff)
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KevinMarks that's microdata
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gRegor` Heh. Wiki doesn't recognize <tbody>
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tantek kbs - all the item*** attributes are microdata
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (-17) "/* Navbox experiments */" (view diff)
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kbs great - appreciate the corrections :) I've been wallowing in too many specs the last few days
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tantek kbs - it's definitely gotten more confusing
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tantek we've been attempting to simplify with microformts2
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tantek s/microformts2/microformats2
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Loqi tantek meant to say: we've been attempting to simplify with microformats2
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KevinMarks it has a legacy class="vcard"
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KevinMarks though seems to have lost all the other fields
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kbs KevinMarks - but it doesn't have ...
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kbs ^^ :-)
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kbs It seems to me that for this experiment to work, I need to figure out the markups for the main 4-5 sites for profile data
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kbs or do a custom api for each to pull in any missing info
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KevinMarks some class =url there
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KevinMarks <a class="OLa url Xvc"
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KevinMarks inbetween the cruft
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@nickstenning RT @t: #ianno14 1. Annotation servers fragile til proven otherwise. E.g. @Readmill shutdown 2014-07-01 http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (ttk.me t4VN3) (twitter.com/_/status/451512685411049472)
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@nickstenning RT @t: #ianno14 ... despite shutdown, @Readmill exports can inform data models, highlights, locators: http://indiewebcamp.com/Readmill (ttk.me t4VN4) (twitter.com/_/status/451512696861511681)
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kbs KevinMarks: yep - rel=me links (which I think also contains the url class) seem to be fine on g+
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gRegor` Hmm, so IWC is MediaWiki 1.17 and support ended for that in 2012. Any concern about vulnerabilities?
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gRegor` Never worked with MediaWiki installs. Imagine it's kind of a beast to upgrade.
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snarfed gRegor`: it's on aaronpk's list. requires updating a number of plugins though, which is nontrivial
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snarfed i'm sure he'd happily accept help!
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gRegor` whistles and moves along
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gRegor` :)
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KartikPrabhu lol
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/451501824412229632/451512685411049472 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/451504750534860800/451512696861511681 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Readmill (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/451501824412229632/1845211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (webmention)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+687) "/* Navbox experiments */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+105) "/* Navbox experiments */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+340) (view diff)
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@t #ianno14 3. #Indieweb Annotations Focus. Our "itches" focus has solved HFA use-cases + others like RSVPs, invitations. (ttk.me t4VN7) (twitter.com/_/status/451519042059509760)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox (+10) "/* Navbox experiments */" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #ianno14 1. Annotation servers fragile til proven otherwise. E.g. @Readmill shutdown 2014-07-01 http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (ttk.me t4VN3) (twitter.com/_/status/451522513126686720)
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #ianno14 ... despite shutdown, @Readmill exports can inform data models, highlights, locators: http://indiewebcamp.com/Readmill (ttk.me t4VN4) (twitter.com/_/status/451522532332412928)
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #ianno14 3. #Indieweb Annotations Focus. Our "itches" focus has solved HFA use-cases + others like RSVPs, invitations. (ttk.me t4VN7) (twitter.com/_/status/451522636682522624)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/451501824412229632/451522513126686720 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/451504750534860800/14161568 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Readmill (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/451504750534860800/451522532332412928 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Readmill (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/451504750534860800/101186457 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Readmill (webmention)
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: nice notes/comments on the annotations thing... Looking at the Readmill's example jSON, what happens to the 'highlight annotation' is the text around it is edited? Seems that should be taken into account but I can't see how...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 hour, 54 minutes ago: nice notes/comments on the annotations thing... Looking at the Readmill's example jSON, what happens to the 'highlight annotation' is the text around it is edited? Seems that should be taken into account but I can't see how...
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snarfed kylewm, KartikPrabhu: just fyi, i wrote up bridgy publish's webmention response format: https://www.brid.gy/about#response
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snarfed (css changed so refresh if you don't see syntax highlighting)
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@kevinmarks @benhammersley of they can pitch Square Space while explaining #indieweb principles, they win an internet (twitter.com/_/status/451608501605777408)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/451501824412229632/451606595504730112 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/451501824412229632/451613291883032576 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (webmention)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I have no other information regarding the Readmill export - it's not mine - I cited where I copy/pasted it from in the IRC logs.
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@idleglory @ddrucker maybe you should start getting involved with the Indie Web community? :) http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/451622963033280512)
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bnvk perhaps someone in the community should fork https://github.com/SSilence/selfoss and merge in all the pull req & updates... the developer seems to have fallen off the map / is distracted by other things
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wagle apparently, .camp is a TLD now. grab indieweb.camp while you can!
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wagle 8/
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bnvk oooooo
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bnvk I luvs me some .camp
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barnabywalters bnvk: thanks for the feed file name length bug report, should be fixed now!
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bnvk saweet :)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning all
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T0bb5 good morning
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ben_thatmustbeme alright, finished reading all the way back
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk, since it came up, if you want any help with mediawiki update since its out of date, let me know.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme hi T0bb5
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: that would be fantastic!
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 4/2 at 12:58pm: I don't know where to put in pending human moderation really, but this is what I have worked up thus far https://github.com/dissolve/webmention
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aaronpk bnvk: i've already forked selfoss and was adding a microformats2 parser to it
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 48 minutes ago: it came up, if you want any help with mediawiki update since its out of date, let me know.
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aaronpk there's a ton of stuff I want to change about selfoss, but it seemed like it was a reasonable starting point
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bnvk yah
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aaronpk better than startin from scratch anyway
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aaronpk wow there are a lot of pull requests
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bnvk yah
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bnvk I donated some $ to the dev, emailed him with ideas (for Selfoss & app store), he wrote back "Mailpile is cool" but I'm building a PHP email client... doh!
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aaronpk oops haha
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Loqi rofl
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bnvk wtf
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah aaronpk, i'd be happy to help
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: wonderful. have you hackde on mediawiki stuff before?
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ben_thatmustbeme only a little, but i do plenty of sysadmin on my own, i'm sure i could help
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aaronpk cool. the main challenge will be making sure the plugins and theme works with the new version
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, I figured it would be something like that
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: ok i'll start collecting notes here https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/9
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aaronpk probably the best way to handle it is for you to start with a fresh mediawiki install and see if the existing skin works with it
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aaronpk the current skin is here: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki
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aaronpk i think i'm gonna have to commit all the extensions to this repo too
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ben_thatmustbeme possibly, I usually end up doing that, i mean, its pretty trivial to back everything up first anyway
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aaronpk i am definitely not going to update it in place
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aaronpk I want to prune the plugin list (added the current list to the issue)
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aaronpk first order of business is getting the skin in order, which is a relatively isolated thing you could do
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ben_thatmustbeme i can test it out on my local system to see if it works as it is and customize as needed
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aaronpk that would be perfect!
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gRegor` If people are having to log in to the wiki frequently, try checking "Remember my login on this browser (for a maximum of 180 days)" on http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:Preferences That's worked for me.
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gRegor` I commented on the github issue for that as well.
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aaronpk gRegor`: THANK YOU! I must have forgotten I had checked that!
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ben_thatmustbeme just to make sure, exact version you want to go to 1.22.5 yes?
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: whatever is the current production
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aaronpk yes that looks right
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aaronpk released last week!
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ben_thatmustbeme yep
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ben_thatmustbeme well, security patched last week, 1.22 came out in feb it looks like
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aaronpk ah cool
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gRegor` !tell snarfed https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/7#issuecomment-39469999
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor` aaronpk: I set up the 4/9 HWC page. Wasn't sure if Portland was the same location, so commented it out and left it "to be confirmed"
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Loqi dangillmor: caseorganic left you a message on 3/27 at 4:52pm: IndieWebCamp Cambridge is a go! Here's the link: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge At Berkman Center
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dangillmor Is there a list of indieweb-related projects that have been submitted to the Knight News Challenge? I ask because it's very useful if people "applaud" and comment on these.
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aaronpk dangillmor: great idea! I don't think there is!
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dangillmor aaronpk: create a wiki page?
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aaronpk go for it!
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Loqi snarfed: gRegor` left you a message 29 minutes ago: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/7#issuecomment-39469999
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dangillmor aaronpk: what parent page?
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aaronpk you can just create a new page with no parent for now, we can link it up later
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aaronpk like http://indiewebcamp.com/knight-news-challenge-2014 or something
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dangillmor ok
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dangillmor.com created /knight-news-challenge-2014 (+503) "Created page with "The Knight News Challenge is promoting the open web. Several IndieWeb folks have submitted projects in the latest call for grant proposals, entitled "[https://www.newschallenge.o..."" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, aaronpk, skin will definitely need updating, getting errors galore on preview
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ben_thatmustbeme and by galore, i really mean only a couple, but it kills the rest of the output
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aaronpk bummer
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ben_thatmustbeme looks like the skin is based on GuMax theme
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ben_thatmustbeme but ..... "The latest GuMax version is 4.5.0, fully supports MediaWiki 1.18.0 and up version."
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aaronpk it's a really old gumax theme, yeah
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ben_thatmustbeme depends how "UP" is up
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dangillmor.com edited /knight-news-challenge-2014 (+0) (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, it looks like the latest on I have found works, and I can start merging the skin in to it, but its going to be slow going to make sure all the pingback/webmention stuff is correct
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ben_thatmustbeme and thats just the start of the differences I'm seeing
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aaronpk starting with a new gumax theme?
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah
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aaronpk a lot of the customation is CSS luckily
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aaronpk also it's probably ok if it's not exactly the same, as long as the major components are still there
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dangillmor I'm at iannotate.org today -- some of these projects seem pretty congruent with what you're all working on.
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ben_thatmustbeme well, i'm getting closer
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gRegor` !tell kbs Have a look at this. https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/feedback-review/make-internet-security-easy-to-use-no-brains-needed I'd be pretty surprised if they pulled it off successfully, but it's interesting
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek is still pretty please with http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#The_Most_Reposted_Thing :)
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tantek s/please/pleased
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Loqi tantek meant to say: is still pretty pleased with http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#The_Most_Reposted_Thing :)
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@paullferguson Didn't hear that Editorially had also shut its doors, just above Readmill on this rather sad list http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/451788230204358656)
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Loqi kbs: gRegor` left you a message 3 minutes ago: Have a look at this. https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/2014/feedback-review/make-internet-security-easy-to-use-no-brains-needed I'd be pretty surprised if they pulled it off successfully, but it's interesting
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+160) "/* Site Deaths */ intro grammar, clarify scope. any loss of user data." (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/451501824412229632/9872292 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#Readmill (webmention)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+3) "bolds" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme hey aaronpk, I have an initial pass done
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ben_thatmustbeme it needs work, but its a good starting point
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell aaronpk https://github.com/dissolve/wiki/tree/testing/skins
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /2014/SF (+135) "https session wiki page" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme quiet day
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: yup
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ben_thatmustbeme drops a pin
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gRegor` picks up a pin
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gRegor` now has a pin. Exits are north and west...
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snarfed hey hanni! saw you signed up for bridgy, looks like it's working ok…?
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kbs KevinMarks: I assume there's an inadvertent rel/me link in one of these chains? http://paste.debian.net/plainh/d568f20a -- but I don't think you really own http://www.blogger.com/profile/00108002099322613528 :)
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snarfed whee
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kbs :-)
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kbs (it's neat to see everybody's sites/interests
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kbs but kevinmarks is also the canonical test case for rel=me pointer-chasing!)
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aaronpk kbs: i've got a pretty big list of rel-me's on my site too if you wanna crawl some stuff :)
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 47 minutes ago: https://github.com/dissolve/wiki/tree/testing/skins
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: cool! I will check it out later! (prety busy at the office today)
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kbs aaronpk: indeed - I've crawled your page as well [everyone in the current irc people list actually
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kbs as it was convenient to get the links from there]
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aaronpk cool!
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kbs There are a few dangling links to case.dev I think, and some other .dev sites
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aaronpk oh yeah those are for when I need to sign in to my and amber's dev sites on my local machine :)
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aaronpk case.dev points back to my google+ profile :)
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aaronpk of course only my local dev indieauth can read case.dev
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kbs ah, ok. I was slightly surprised you owned that domain, but i guess both of you are/were co-founders so it made some sense
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snarfed kbs: can't wait to play with your crawler!
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ben_thatmustbeme oh and aaronpk, i made it its own branch to make things simple
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kbs oh, sure thing. I have it running as a local java thing [with a browser interface] so hope that'll also work for you
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kbs still needs to consolidate vcard data from all the rel=me sites
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: perfect
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KevinMarks kbs interesting. does blogger put rel me on those profile pages, even for multi author blogs?
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KevinMarks David and I have a few blogs in common that are multi author. didn't realise blogger got that wrong
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kbs KevinMarks: hm, not sure how blogger is deciding to add things to rel=me versus rel=contributor-to on https://www.blogger.com/profile/18338939297948690534 - but they don't seem to be the same set
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kbs and neither one is a subset of the other. [eg: rel=me contains kevinmarks.com, which is not in rel=contributor-to. and rel=contributor-to contains gonzoengaged.blogspot.com, which is not in rel=me]
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kbs I've pasted the rels at http://paste.debian.net/plainh/780f73f6 should you feel inclined to peruse (and also pursue it I suppose :)