#indiewebcamp 2014-02-18

2014-02-18 UTC
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KartikPrabhu tommorris: sent pull request to mf2py. nothing major just some extra comments and restructuring that I thought useful. On to BeautifulSoup now
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snarfed KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 1 karma
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KartikPrabhu I has karma! w00t!!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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snarfed lol
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bear KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi KartikPrabhu has 2 karma
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bear I should have done that a while ago!
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Loqi yea
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KartikPrabhu tommorris just put it on github today morning (Chicago time). so now I am writing stuffs in it
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j12t KartikPrabhu+=PI/4
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KartikPrabhu oh no!!
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j12t Didn't work. Hmm. Couldn't resist.
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KartikPrabhu my favourite is: i++
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aaronpk or c++
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KartikPrabhu i++
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Loqi i has 14 karma
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j12t Eliza is alive and well, just now her name is Loqi.
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Loqi dude
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j12t Exactly.
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@jedahan thinking of dogecoin address #indieweb UX experimentation… a consistent UI that shows real social proof on any website… (twitter.com/_/status/435622388663738368)
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KartikPrabhu what is a good way to point out a line of code that I think might be wrong on Github so that the contributors see it?
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aaronpk you could open an issue and link to that line?
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KartikPrabhu aah ok. I didn't know if that was the expected thing to do. thanks
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aaronpk if they decide you are wrong, they'll just close the issue
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wagle WONTFIX
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aaronpk ENOFIX?
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wagle but link is good, patch is better.. 8)
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wagle of course, given the rate one guy take up my patches, I might not have that right
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wagle s
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wagle needs a retroactive spelling correcter
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aaronpk loqi can help
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KartikPrabhu here is my question how to interpret the last line in implied url in http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_for_implied_properties
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KartikPrabhu is it only a element with valid href or only a element ?
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aaronpk looks like just an <a> element (if I'm reading "a[href]" correctly)
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is what the php-mf2 does
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KartikPrabhu but the mf2py code seems to say otherwise
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aaronpk ah
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KartikPrabhu tommorris: https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/parser.py#L98 line seems to not follow the implied url spec. or am I reading it wrong?
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wagle aaronpk: loqi turns 2 lines into three
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wagle *shurg*
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wagle s/ur/ru/
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Loqi wagle meant to say: *shrug*
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wagle hmm.. no boldface anymore?
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wagle but I meant more "between the time I reflexively hit return and the time it's displayed"
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wagle </offtopic>
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aaronpk oh this channel must not have color mode set
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aaronpk !tell tantek would you mind dumping some of your examples for ellipsizing here? https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/14
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronparecki.com edited /comments-presentation (+68) "/* How to display */ update algorithm description to better reflect the implementation" (view diff)
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wagle OMG.. the whole DRM thing is a hoax.. the real battle is over owning the media that the music/etc comes on
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aaronpk man talk about DB tax
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aaronpk i'm archiving too much data
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aaronpk can't back it up every night cause it takes too long to dump
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wagle sata/USB3?
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wagle store changes to the weekly backup?
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aaronpk it's all in mysql, but a mysqldump of 20 million rows takes a while it turns out
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wagle or does it take too long to compute the deltas?
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aaronpk might be time to switch to postgres+aws so I can just snapshot disk volumes while the machine is running
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wagle the right raid setup might let you hot swap out mirrors of the data
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aaronpk this is all cloud stuff
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aaronpk "cloud" heh
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wagle hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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wagle yeah, your last idea sounds good
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wagle the cloud might let you snap images of the virtual machine or something.. of course, thats digging into the expenses
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aaronpk but holy crap that's gonna be a project to switch everything over
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aaronpk yeah I can do snapshots of the DB server on linode, but mysql doesn't really play well with live snapshots. it wants the DB to be shut down during the snapshot
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wagle right
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aaronpk hence "db tax" http://indiewebcamp.com/database#DBA_tax
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wagle umm.. my fantasy is that you can write a DB switcher in sqlalchemy, but I havent tried that in practice.. selena did, i think, though
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aaronpk yeh that's pretty much a fantasy
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aaronpk I don't like abstractions like that, usually means you aren't able to actually take advantage of any DB's actual features
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wagle are you actually taking such advantage?
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aaronpk sometimes
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wagle ok
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aaronpk a bunch of these are just INSERT/SELECT apps, but even then a migration to postgres or to an abstraction is about the same amount of work
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aaronpk thankless invisible work
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@kevinmarks "@buster: @isaach I've actually been pro-Medium for a while now, but starting to come back to my own custom-domain blog." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/435653316224106497)
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wagle i had the impression that sqlalchemy encoded knowledge of each database, but have no idea how well
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wagle how long is this database supposed to last?
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aaronpk forever
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aaronpk some of these have been around for 8-9 years already
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wagle well, are you going to keep an ancient version of mysql running in 20 years? (half serious, sorry)
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aaronpk you're reinforcing everything described here :) http://indiewebcamp.com/database
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wagle oracle is gonna do something odd with mysql, i bet
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aaronpk yeah there's already a couple forks of it that are taking over
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aaronpk omg this one db is almost 10 years old!!
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wagle wow
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aaronpk ooh just passed 10 actually! 2003-12-28
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wagle time to copy to new media, grandson
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aaronpk well its not like this mysql instance has been running since then. it's gone through mysqldumps and restores several times over the years
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wagle thats a point though, is JPG viewing gonna be around in 100 years?
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wagle (wa half joking)
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wagle was
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aaronpk jpg I think yes. camera RAW probably no.
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wagle mysqldump is a command?
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aaronpk yeah, turns the db into text SQL statements
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@kevinmarks @tara @buster @isaach not a bad thing http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS but prefer the other way round http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/435655822547243010)
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wagle yeah, i dont seem to have mysql installed anywhere
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wagle was wondering how to do "sqlite3 .dump > foo"
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wagle in a "real" database
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wagle at some point I'll ttransform the sqlite db to postgres
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wagle (seems like you ewant PESOS for emergency recovery operations)
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wagle oh nm
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wagle i was stuck by the idea of moving data from off to onsite, not the "start offsite" problem
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KartikPrabhu needs to sleep after so many try-except statements!
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wagle there is no try, there is only do
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KartikPrabhu wagle: I will take your advice and sleep!
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KartikPrabhu :P
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wagle i meant statements
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wagle oh well
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aaronparecki.com created /Template:duolingo (+174) "duolingo translation template" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Template:duolingo (+0) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /principles-de (+342) "bring in partial German translation and link to Duolingo translation page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Main_Page (+60) "/* Translations */ German" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /other-languages (+61) "/* translations ordered by number of articles */" (view diff)
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aaronpk Jeena: would love to get your input on this translation! http://indiewebcamp.com/principles-de I think people are translating it inconsistently between formal and informal "you" so that probably needs to be cleaned up. which would make more sense?
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tommorris KartikPrabhu: I’ll look at your pull request shortly
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Jeena I'll take a look now aaronpk
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Jeena and yes it switches beween "Du" and "Sie"
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Jeena oh this is interesting, it is being translated on Duolingo? I'm using it to learn spanish :D
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Jeena hm I wonder how I can contribute via duolingo
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@transmatapp Test webmention proxy call (twitter.com/_/status/435735141953318912)
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@toengkels "@t: going to @benwerd' Introduction to the Indian talk late http://werd.io/2014/introduction-to-the-indieweb had another event before. (ttk.me t4UB2)" (twitter.com/_/status/435790436675104768)
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neuro` !tell tantek tomorrow xtof and I have a meeting at the French Mozilla Foundation headquerter to start a Paris chapter of the Homebrew Website Club
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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neuro` Loqi: thank you
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk Jeena: you should be able to follow the link to the duolingo page from the wiki page and contribute there!
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aaronpk would it sound better with "du" or "Sie"?
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cweiske du
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cweiske I'd use the informal one
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aaronpk k. that one's easier for me anyway.
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aaronpk "Eat your own dogfood" "Esse deine eigenes Hundefutter." ?
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cweiske s/Esse/Iss/
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cweiske s/deine/dein/
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cweiske and you can't translate this literally
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aaronpk I was wondering if there is a similar phrase in German
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cweiske no
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aaronpk heh
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cweiske http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewUnsolvedquery.php?idThread=1031474&idForum=2&lang=de&lp=ende
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cweiske "Dogfooding is also used in German . If you need it for a specialized audience they will know what you mean, even if they are german."
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aaronpk feel free to make edits here! https://www.duolingo.com/translation/02cc079b97b1ddb71286e700fd056dfe
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cweiske oh, I have to register for it
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cweiske already checked
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pfefferle :)
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pfefferle aaronpk where do you want to use this text?
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/principles-de
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pfefferle ah ok
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aaronpk I thought that'd be a good place to start
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pfefferle oh, never seen the german version
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pfefferle nice!
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aaronpk new as of last night when I copied some of the duolingo translations over!
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pfefferle will have a look at that later... but I am with cweiske to use "du" instead of "sie"
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cweiske aaronpk, you copy them manually?
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cweiske I thought it's something automated
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aaronpk cool. noted in the "discussion" section. hopefully future translators will see that.
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aaronpk cweiske: last night I copied the translated sentences from duolingo over to the wiki. not sure how to automate that.
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pfefferle where should we made the changes? duolingo or wiki?
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cweiske fetch-english-page split-into-sentences fetch-translations-for-sentences build-german-page
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aaronpk duolingo
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pfefferle really?
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aaronpk cweiske: go for it. mediawiki has an API.
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aaronpk pfefferle: yeah cause it's in progress, and this way we get a bunch of other duolingo people contributing.
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cweiske aren't there mediawiki plugins already for translation?
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pfefferle but the translation is not that good so far
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aaronpk if you want to edit on the wiki then I'll port back over to duolingo later
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pfefferle never mind, I am ok with duolingo too
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aaronpk i'm curious to see how this translation feature works on duolingo. I've been using it to brush up on my German the last couple weeks, but thought this would be an interesting experiment.
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pfefferle cweiske I would use the english words for all indieweb related stuff... "indieweb" instead of "unabhängigen Netz"... what do you think
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cweiske yep
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cweiske it's an eigenname
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pfefferle :)
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pfefferle oh man some stuff is really hard to translate into german
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pfefferle english is way easier to explain stuff
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jonnybarnes hey guys, trying to set up webmentions on my site
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jonnybarnes how should my webmention endpoint respond to a request?
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jonnybarnes like someone replies to my note and they end a request with the correct target and source to my endpoint
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aaronpk jonnybarnes: "202 Accepted" https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md#sender-notifies-receiver
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aaronpk http://webmention.org/#sender-notifies-receiver
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jonnybarnes thanks aaronpk
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jonnybarnes did you see my blog post by the way? about micropub and oauth tokens.
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aaronpk oh yes haven't yet read it completely. was looking forward to doing so!
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jonnybarnes is this a stupid table structure to store my webmentions in?
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jonnybarnes also, do you process webmentions before storing them, or store the raw content and filter it before outputting to your site?
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jonnybarnes I'd lean towards storing the raw content myself
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aaronpk I store the full HTML of each page plus the parsed JSON. I can go back and re-parse the JSON if needed that way, like if I update my mf2 parser
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aaronpk that may not be sustainable, cause my html folder is already 170 megs
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jonnybarnes aaronpk so when I visit a page with a webmention-ed comment on, is that coment being generated from the JSON?
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aaronpk in my case yes
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snarfed hey Jeena, i'm curious about one of your webmention handler's error responses: 'source_uri': ['has already been taken']
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snarfed (bridgy currently seems to hit it almost all the time for you: https://www.brid.gy/#twitter-jeena )
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snarfed do you return that when you've already received a webmention with a given source uri?
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Jeena hm that could also be a bug, I was working on that part a some days ago
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snarfed ah, ok
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snarfed you do want to allow updates (https://github.com/converspace/webmention/blob/master/README.md#updating-existing-webmentions), but you probably already knew that
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snarfed let me know if i can help
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Jeena but thanks for mentioning this, I will check it
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snarfed sure!
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 1 day, 11 hours ago: I'm having a tough time turning this algorithm into code: http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display It seems to contain conditionals that overlap/wrap in odd places. Is there any chance you could rewrite to clear that up?
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 1 day, 2 hours ago: any objections to merging https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/11? it would make using cassis much easier in PHP+composer projects
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message on 2/17 at 8:40pm: would you mind dumping some of your examples for ellipsizing here? https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/14
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tantek good morning #Indiewebcamp
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Loqi tantek: neuro` left you a message 2 hours, 58 minutes ago: tomorrow xtof and I have a meeting at the French Mozilla Foundation headquerter to start a Paris chapter of the Homebrew Website Club
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snarfed morning
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aaronpk good morning!
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snarfed love the tell flood :P
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tantek seems like I need an inbox on the wiki ;)
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aaronpk heh
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snarfed if only there was a good way to manage async messages
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snarfed oh wait there are 100
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tantek snarfed, hah!
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snarfed :P
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tantek neuro` that's great! Say hi to Tristan for me :)
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caseorganic snarfed: i'm not seeing mentions show up from brid.gy on my site http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/18/1/
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snarfed caseorganic: hmm! sorry about that.
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aaronpk here's a debugging URL! https://www.brid.gy/#twitter-caseorganic
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snarfed looking in https://www.brid.gy/#twitter-caseorganic now…
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caseorganic snarfed: last one i got was http://caseorganic.com/mentions February 18, 2014 3:58am
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snarfed heh yes
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caseorganic aaronpk: ah ha, thanks!
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Jeena oh man, WordPress and even worse its themes, Just found a script which lets you send emails from the website:
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Jeena $emailTo = trim($_POST['emailTo']);
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Jeena ...
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Jeena mail($emailTo, $subject, $body, $header);
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caseorganic snarfed: no prob! just letting you know
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snarfed caseorganic: do you have a specific example?
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Jeena nice, now everybody can send emails to anyone via this server!
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caseorganic snarfed: yes, i just syndicated a tweet from my website. it was retweeted and commented on and didn't show up on my site
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caseorganic getting link now
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aaronpk I forget what the polling schedule for bridgy is...?
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caseorganic snarfed: syndicated tweet https://twitter.com/caseorganic/status/435842556664901632
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snarfed aaronpk: varies by silo. twitter is ~20m, and no more realtime :(
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caseorganic snarfed: aaronpk: ahh, if it's a polling schedule thing...
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aaronpk ah sad
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caseorganic snarfed: i watch it because brid.gy is awesome!
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snarfed caseorganic: aww thanks! yeah, looks like it was just polling delay. https://www.brid.gy/#twitter-caseorganic says last poll was 23m ago. sadly bridgy's realtime twitter support died recently: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/57
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snarfed i should add a "poll now" button
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caseorganic snarfed: excellent re:posting delay
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caseorganic snarfed: yeah, i heard about the realtime. makes sense.
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caseorganic snarfed: maybe you could limit the service to indieweb sites?
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tantek.com edited /Events (+927) "archive last week's meeting, add next week's HWC" (view diff)
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snarfed yeah, aaronpk suggested a similar thing. definitely a good idea, but based on my testing, it wasn't the number of users alone that triggered the 401s. details in the GH issue
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snarfed sda
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snarfed er sad
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tantek !tell neuro` perhaps we can add Paris then to next week's Homebrew Website Club meetup! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-02-26-homebrew-website-club
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tantek now we see if Loqi can handle !tells to nicks with punctuationin them
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk i'll take that as a "no"
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caseorganic snarfed: ah, i see!
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snarfed more on bridgy polling delay and other details: http://brid.gy/about
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aaronpk oh cool
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aaronpk snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 4 karma
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caseorganic snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 5 karma
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snarfed :)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-02-26-homebrew-website-club (+348) "mozsf location confirmed" (view diff)
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Jeena ah snarfed it is a bug on my side with websites like bridgy where the u-url and the source are different URLs, hm need to fix that in some way.
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snarfed aha, good catch
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snarfed yeah, bridgy is one of the few (maybe only) webmention senders that does that right now, so it tends to surprise people
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Jeena hehe yea, I didn't check for the uniqueness of source_uri together with target_uri before so it worked (but had different problems)
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+220) "inbox for non-trivial IRC requests" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (+252) "/* inbox */ comments presentation display" (view diff)
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aaronpk what was that quote? given enough time every system turns into email?
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snarfed yeah, j
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snarfed er, jwz (aaronpk)
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snarfed second item: http://www.jwz.org/hacks/
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KevinMarks_ becomes capable of sending email, I thought
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snarfed yup
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KevinMarks_ did you see http://upon2020.com/blog/2014/02/on-mozillas-persona-post-mortem/
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snarfed huh. adding to the queue
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@mindcrash @vasilis Heb je het al eens over redecentralisatie/indieweb gehad? (twitter.com/_/status/435876830810099712)
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neuro` !tell tantek I was planning that after I'm sure we'll be able to hold our first HWC next week
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek neuro` that's great!
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tantek :)
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Loqi tantek: neuro` left you a message 15 seconds ago: I was planning that after I'm sure we'll be able to hold our first HWC next week
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neuro` tantek: really looking forward to tomorrow's meeting.
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tantek aaronpk, there's a difference between arbitrary messaging (email inbox) and a processed set of next actions that one labels an "inbox"
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aaronpk I was kidding :)
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tantek I'm not, because yes, it is a very tough challenge.
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tantek the shorter context of subjectless IRC notes helps focus requests
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aaronpk the public aspect of it is also very different from current private email inboxes
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tantek yes, it provides more accountability to both sides
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tantek aaronpk - the public aspect is similar to email lists though in that regard
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pfefferle aaronpk should i translate this too? "This page is being translated on Duolingo. You can contribute to the translation."
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tantek and so far we've been fortunate to be free of people abusing !tell and overwhelming any of us with messages
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tantek but that doesn't mean it can't happen
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tantek or won't
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tantek KevinMarks, reading now...
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aaronpk pfefferle: haha sure
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tantek KevinMarks, I think the post is a bit dismissive. The Persona team were all very aware of OpenID and the problems with it.
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KevinMarks_ yes, I think johannes is overstating that bit
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tantek the analysis on the wiki is better and more specific than any of the uponupon20 post: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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KevinMarks Though that "email is the future" conclusion is sad
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pfefferle aaronpk oh, it seems to be some kind of a snippet... how can I change that? and if I do, is it also used on the french, ... site?
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aaronpk oh yeah it's a template. there should be a link to the tmplate at the bottom of the page when you edit principles-de
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Jeena I tried to install the software so I could become my own browser id provider and failed miserably
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tantek KevinMarks, it's an incremental conclusion based on the fact that every non-vendor-specific-sign-up in apps uses email.
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aaronpk it's not on the french pages since xtofr has been doing a great job translating
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tantek jernst - I have to disagree with this: " all that energy wasted, with an entirely predictable outcome". It was not energy wasted, Persona was a new enough incremental approach that is was very much worth pursuing. And it was not entirely predictable, that's the point. It helped reveal real vs. theoretical issues.
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tantek in your post: http://upon2020.com/blog/2014/02/on-mozillas-persona-post-mortem/
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I actually read the 3 listed points are very good lessons to be learnt
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aaronpk is persona considered a failure now? like it's over?
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aaronpk I thought it was still alive and kicking...
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Jeena There are Firefox Accounts now which are kind of the same but more or something
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tantek aaronpk - it is still up.
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Jeena they build on top of browser id, afaik
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tantek that kind of analysis is good for any product that's being incrementally rethought and improved
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tantek Jeena, the page mentions bits of that
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notizblog.org edited /Template:duolingo (+5) (view diff)
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aaronpk thanks pfefferle!
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aaronpk or should I say, danke!
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aaronparecki.com moved /Template:duolingo to /Template:duolingo-de
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aaronparecki.com edited /principles-de (+3) (view diff)
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pfefferle aaronpk gern geschehen
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pfefferle :)
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Jeena I kind of would have written: "Diese Seite wird mit Hilfe von Duolingo übersetzt."
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tantek KartikPrabhu - I disagree - on all three points.
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tantek and no, they are not lessons you can draw from any of the data
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Jeena it is a bit odd to work with Duolingo, if someone already translated a paragraph then you only can vote it down but not add a alternative version, at least I wasn't able to find out how.
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aaronpk hm really? I was able to type over someone
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aaronpk you just click on the sentence and can change it
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KartikPrabhu tantek: point 3 us shaky. But the first one for instance. If you have a decentralized identity then wouldn't that hurt the business model "let's find out most things about you"?
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tantek KartikPrabhu - email as decentralized identity as worked for far longer than any of those web business models have existed.
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tantek s/as worked/has worked/
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Loqi tantek meant to say: KartikPrabhu - email as decentralized identity has worked for far longer than any of those web business models have existed.
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KartikPrabhu yes. but it is not helpful to silos/business that want to keep your data. I am not saying decentralized identity is not useful
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Jeena ah you're right aaronpk I didn't get that
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Jeena I hovert over and it did let me vote but I didn't get you could click on it
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Jeena hovered
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Jeena ah and someone has been working on it too nice
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Jeena how does it work, aaronpk are you paying for the translation? do you have to move the translation back manually into the wiki?
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aaronpk not paying because it's a CC0 work
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aaronpk but yes I copy manually back to the wiki
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Jeena ah nice on the first one
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Jeena their UI is pretty cool for this kind of work. But the first translations were kind of horrible ^^
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aaronpk yep! I wanted to start with a page that doesn't change very often. I figure it's probably not necessary to translate the more technical pages, but this one seemed like it'd be useful
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pfefferle so, added some text... more tomorrow...
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aaronpk cool thanks!!
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pfefferle your welcome and good night all
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Loqi sleep tight!
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tantek KartikPrabhu - the problem is of assumptions of silos/businesses any any specific business model
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tantek a/any any/and any
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tantek s/any any/and any
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Loqi tantek meant to say: a/and any/and any
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tantek haha oh well
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KartikPrabhu yeah i got it :)
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KartikPrabhu that is true. I feel like that is the premise of the article. That identities are used as products today, and hence... other conclusions. If identity is not a product then yes decentralized ones are very good
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KevinMarks_ hadn't seen this before - should we invite Hunter to HWC?
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Jeena snarfed does bridgy retry if it wasn't able to deliver a webmention?
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snarfed Jeena: yup, lots
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snarfed at least 30 times and 3 days
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Jeena ok cool, then I only need to wait
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aaronpk exponential fall-off?
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snarfed yup, capped at 1h
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KevinMarks_ s/this/this www.homebrew.co/
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: hadn't seen this www.homebrew.co before - should we invite Hunter to HWC?
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aaronpk I was thinking the other day about what it would take to put my website on my home server, served entirely by cloudfront to the public
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aaronpk so I'd have to use an external service for accepting webmentions which could deliver it to my home server when it's online
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aaronpk a store-and-forward service, kind of like how SMTP was designed to work
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snarfed interesting!
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KevinMarks_ I was wondering how close a static external site could get
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KevinMarks_ this is the extension of tantek's file-oriented view
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KevinMarks_ my sense is that your site is a bit like that already, aaronpk ? With the dynamic overlay?
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aaronpk you know like how your SMTP server could be offline for most of the time, and when you'd dial up then servers would re-try and you'd get your email
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snarfed yup. basically a static site generator plus cdn
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: yeah my site is generated from flat files. it only changes when I post something or when I get a webmention
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snarfed i have to admit, i appreciate the old school comment form. to support that, i'd need the webmention service to also support sending the comment content directly
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aaronpk so if I could put a CDN/cache layer in front of it, my server wouldn't even need to be online very often
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snarfed but other than that, it might work for me too
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snarfed right
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KevinMarks_ so it could live in s3 or github or on apache somewhere?
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aaronpk what about it do you appreciate?
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snarfed lots of people still use it to comment :P
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KevinMarks_ I think camlistore is groping towards this, but still assumes you're hosted on a public server
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snarfed yup. it's also kind of a side effect for them. camlistore's primary use case is inward-looking, more like personal cloud, as opposed to outward-looking indieweb style publishing
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snarfed but definitely overlap!
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aaronpk snarfed: over the years I've had comment forms on my sites, and inevitably I turn them off and remove them because I just don't get good quality comments that way
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KevinMarks_ well, it has config hooks for s3. maybe I need to look again.
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bear aaronpk - my site is also flat files and generated behind my home firewall - so i'm wrestling with the same things
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bear my thought was to have a service on the outside that forwards to xmpp (which for me is more central than smtp for my personal stuff)
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snarfed yeah. it's subjective. people feel both strongly and differently about comment style
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aaronpk my last attempt was using facebook comments on my site, which meant I no longer got spam comments, but *still* the quality of comments was extremely low
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KevinMarks_ I like the idea of an essentially static site, that can be archived by archive.org etc safely
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KevinMarks_ it assumes you can parse the site back into the canonical form, which mf2 makes potentially possible
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bear for me all of the source markdown files are available from the static site
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aaronpk whoa, I just found a clone of my site
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bear so everything is archivable
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aaronpk Hello?
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bear aaronpk - hello
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aaronpk What is going on
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bear unsure what context you mean
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aaronpk My irc client is lagging 300 seconds on more than one network
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aaronpk And I can't get to my servers either. Is my site up for you?
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aaronpk and they're also proxying webmention.io
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aaronpk wtf
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aaronpk also my server is down
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bear your aaronparecki.com site is up
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aaronpk whoa there we go
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aaronpk that was weird. maybe a comcast glitch
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bear I'm getting 3 second pings from your client
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bear so yea, your in a local latency storm
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aaronpk ok weird. anyway.
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bear :)
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aaronpk my site is getting shadow-copied in realtime
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aaronpk i don't know the term for that
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bear live crawled?
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aaronpk from a server in quebec
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bear or mirrored - but that implies your doing it
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bear sounds like time for an ip block
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aaronpk I don't want to actually paste a URL in here, but
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bear pastebin it
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KevinMarks_ free backup?
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aaronpk aaronparecki dot freeppt.me slash articles/2014/02/11/1/ssh-to-ec2-servers-by-instance-id
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aaronpk it would be a free backup if it weren't for the fact that site crawls mine when a request is made
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aaronpk not even crawl, just passes the request through
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aaronpk same with webmention dot freeptt.me
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KevinMarks_ oh, weird
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aaronpk I found it cause it's indexed by google!!
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KevinMarks_ who was advocating that as a design pattern recently? (though for your own site)
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aaronpk what design pattern?
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KevinMarks_ rebuild your site by proxying it, and replacing it piecemeal
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aaronpk I basically did that with caseorganic's site
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bear I do that behind the scenes with my new domain for requests that used to go to my old wordpress site
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aaronpk yeah that's what I did with her wordpress site
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bear to keep urls from ever 404'ing
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aaronpk LOL the freeppt.me thing will proxy any dotcom
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snarfed or .org
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aaronpk example.freeppt.me -> example.com
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aaronpk wait how does it know
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bear great firewall avoidance?
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snarfed i'm guessing it just tries tlds in some orde
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aaronpk but snarfed.com resolves and is a page
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snarfed true! no clue.
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snarfed i wonder if it's just a strangely misconfigured web server one level deep
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snarfed fun with mod_rewrite