#indiewebcamp 2014-02-11

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tantek aaronpk - what - can't infer it from the location? ;)
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tantek so… is myopenid actually offline now?
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aaronpk there's nothing to infer! I created the event by choosing 11:30am, and it even sends "11:30am" in the title of the event, but the datetime value in the ics file attached is in UTC!!
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tantek did you put a location into the event?
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aaronpk no
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aaronpk shouldn't matter tho
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aaronpk the subject line of the email and the body of the email shows the local time
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aaronpk (the email that google calendar sends to invitees)
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tantek local to … what?
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tantek the server? your browser?
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aaronpk the time I typed in!
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aaronpk and explicitly set the timezone
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tantek I believe that's Google's way to subtly trying to teach you to always use UTC ;)
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aaronpk here's what I enter in google calendar: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7328/12446296174_d16f4b81d8_c.jpg
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aaronpk explicit start/end times in different timezones
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Jeena they seem to be just like Steve (Jobs), thy know what is best for you.
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aaronpk the resulting ics file shows just the UTC timestamps
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aaronpk so how is an invitee supposed to know what timezone the event occurs in?
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aaronpk ics even has explicit support for timezones, they're just not using it
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tantek the explicit timezone support in ICS kinda sucks
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tantek and, hey - do you know which if any ICS consumers support it? turns out - there are no public test suites of ICS.
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tantek hmm … ok, just signed into my myOpenID account
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aaronpk they probably forgot to unplug the server
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tantek LOL
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tantek oh interesting, they have some login logs: https://www.myopenid.com/activity
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+1457) "/* Upcoming */ 2014-03-15 Zootool.com shutting down, other details. note still able to log into myopenid" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-02-12-homebrew-website-club (+279) "/* URLs */ add extra RSVP URLs" (view diff)
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tantek hey caseorganic, do you have a (manual) FB POSSE event of http://caseorganic.com/events/2014/02/12/1/homebrew-website-club ?
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tantek or a calagator post?
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tantek to add to: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-02-12-homebrew-website-club#URLs
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caseorganic tantek: will do - please wait (elevator music)
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tantek :)
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aaronpk here is the calagator version http://calagator.org/events/1250465644
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Feb 12, 6:30pm at Esri R&D Center (aka Geoloqi HQ)
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-02-12-homebrew-website-club (+55) "/* URLs calagator" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: have you seen any good implementaitons of openid connect?
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caseorganic tantek: https://www.facebook.com/events/600583236694318/
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aaronpk supposedly google uses it
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aaronpk oh I see... it's just OAuth 2 https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/OAuth2Login
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aaronpk "This document describes Google's underlying OAuth 2.0 implementation for authentication, which aligns with the OpenID Connect specification."
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tantek.com edited /events/2014-02-12-homebrew-website-club (+82) "/* URLs */ pdx fb" (view diff)
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aaronpk wow looks like even the openid folks couldn't agree on stuff. they have separate docs for Core, Discovery, Dynamic Registration, Session Management
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aaronpk all except the core are optional
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tantek aaronpk - um no
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tantek google has no incentive to make it not suck, on the contrary they have incentive to neglect it and focus on getting all users to use G+ identity/logins
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tantek and this came through loud and clear at last year's Google I/O
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tantek I kept asking questions about interop, federation, standards etc. during the Google+ identity related sessions, and it was all lipservice, except for supporting "rel=author"
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aaronpk it looks like they have done the bare minimum to comply with oauth 2.0 and openid just to say they are compliant
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aaronpk "Google's OAuth 2.0 authentication system supports the required features of the OpenID Connect Basic and Implicit flows."
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aaronpk also "Google+ Sign-In is built on the OAuth 2.0 and OpenID Connect protocols."
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tantek it's like the new "built on XML"
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aaronpk aahahahaha oh no
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tantek means nothing about interop. vocab. etc.
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Loqi hahahaha
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aaronpk it seems to me that nobody could agree, so they decided to agree on as little as possible and call it good and go their separate ways
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aaronpk and that is oauth 2.0 and openid connect
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aaronpk snarfed: does bridgy require a u-syndication link on a post before it'll start sending webmentions back?
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snarfed nope
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snarfed it doesn't parse original posts at all
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snarfed are you missing a webmention?
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aaronpk amber just made a FB event for this http://caseorganic.com/events/2014/02/12/1/homebrew-website-club
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aaronpk not sure the schedule of when it starts sending webmentions tho, might just need to keep waiting
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aaronpk that does seem like a potential hole that needs to be plugged tho. otherwise I could go make a FB post and link to one of your URLs at the bottom and you'll start getting my comments there
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snarfed FB polls every 5m, but she just signed her FB up for bridgy a bit ago, so it might be working through her stuff
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aaronpk ok
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snarfed re the hole, yeah, that's actually somewhat of intentional
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snarfed it's broader than strict original post discovery, but the benefit is that it sends discussion on "mention" posts like that as well as original posts
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aaronpk oh right hmm
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snarfed in practice, it only happens if the mentioner is also on bridgy, which is still pretty rare
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snarfed aaronpk, caseorganic: is the FB event not public? bridgy tries ignore anything that's not fully public
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aaronpk i think it's public
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snarfed hmm ok. i'm not seeing it on https://www.facebook.com/caseorganic/events
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aaronpk that's a thing?
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aaronpk i see it there
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aaronpk yeah it says it's public
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snarfed huh. i wonder why i don't see it
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snarfed heh, bridgy has about 1k responses in the queue to send
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aaronpk hah ok
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snarfed the event rsvps are probably in there. :P
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snarfed yup, looks like they're trickling in
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aaronpk wahoo!
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aaronpk heh i'm gonna have to start parsing invitations
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aaronpk cause they show up as replies right now
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snarfed heh. glad to be the nudge…? :P
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snarfed to your credit though, they look reasonably ok as replies
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@Covata New post on Covata blog: Own Your Data - More than a tagline. Why "Own Your Data" is an important idea.... https://www.facebook.com/covata.ownyourdata/posts/546948492078796 (twitter.com/_/status/433050975767896064)
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aaronpk that appears to be a tweet with a link to a facebook post with a link to a blog post
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snarfed they're taking the posse thing seriously…i guess...?
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aaronpk lol http://i.imgur.com/LBiXDH3.jpg
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KartikPrabhu haha
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@davidmead MyOpenID has also shut down this month. Thanks for the run @janrain, but an email would've been nice. Time to look around. /cc @t #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/433075411195416576)
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@aaronpk @davidmead We added Open ID delegation to #indieauth when they announced MyOpenID would be shut down. Guide... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/02/10/2/indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/433076121257512960)
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gRegor` Love that comic, aaronpk. Who made it?
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aaronpk no idea!
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aaronpk can't seem to find a source
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: http://www.pictorem.com/collectioncat.asp?author=Pawel+Kuczynski the artist.
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KartikPrabhu similar but not that particular one on his site http://www.pawelkuczynski.com/index.php
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@davidmead @aaronpk Guess I'm going to have to dive back into the #indieweb. It's like 2006 all over again :-) (twitter.com/_/status/433085759709396993)
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@michielbdejong RT @davidmead: @aaronpk Guess I'm going to have to dive back into the #indieweb. It's like 2006 all over again :-) (twitter.com/_/status/433095496899780608)
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tantek wow claimID poofed with zero warning
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tantek http://claimid.com/
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snarfed whoa
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caseorganic.com edited /site-deaths (+362) "/* 2013 */ Added HipGeo closure and example of broken links with user content" (view diff)
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caseorganic HipGeo was an early Geoloqi competitor!
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caseorganic.com edited /site-deaths (+19) "/* 2013 */ Added ??? profiles lost." (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+62) "/* Backwards-Compatible Support */ add WebDAV support" (view diff)
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pjf.id.au edited /GitHub (+669) "/* Guides */ Added octopress and pjf.id.au as fork'n'go websites." (view diff)
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pfenwick I'm totally doing self-promotion of build systems on the wiki there. :) Plus as of a couple of minutes ago, the pjf.id.au base supports IndieAuth out of the box.
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neuro` pfenwick: self promotion is not bad when it serves the community.
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pfenwick neuro`: Oh, I quite agree. And quite wonderfully, as you sent that message I got a pull-request fixing up some typos on my website. :)
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pfenwick Having all my content managed using git, but also editable in markdown by others (in their browser!) is just fantastic. It's the first time I've ever enjoyed managing a website.
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cweiske Github TOS: "GitHub and its designee have the right (but not the obligation) in their sole discretion to refuse or remove any Content that is available via the Service."
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pjf.id.au created /User:Pjf.id.au (+115) "Simple link to website so I don't have a completely blank user page." (view diff)
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cweiske "We may [...] remove Content and Accounts containing Content that [...] [is] otherwise objectionable"
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pfenwick cweiske: Oh, I'm not saying they're perfect. But since I'm generating static pages, it's very easy for me to move elsewhere if things look like they may become problematic.
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cweiske so you have a copy of your repos at home?
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pfenwick cweiske: My build process requires it. Github won't run jekyll plugins, and I have *lots* of plugins. The site gets built locally, and then pushed to github. Plus anyone who has forked my website has a copy of it (even if it's somewhat out of date)
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pfenwick pfenwick: So overall there's about a dozen independent copies, plus my backups. One of the things I dearly love about git is that every repo is a first-class citizen.
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pfenwick I don't know why I spoke to myself just then. ;)
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wagle wagle: I dont know either
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andysylvester.com edited /events/2014-02-12-homebrew-website-club (+92) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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Jihaisse Hello
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pfenwick Jihaisse: Hello . :)
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neuro` pfenwick: interesting workflow. I still use a database backed blogging engine (I'm the main maintainer of)
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@jontangerine Joining the protest today for the free web: http://v1.jontangerine.com/ Join me: https://thedaywefightback.org/ #stopspying #openrights #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/433195371813040128)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 2/6 at 9:56am: - that's pretty funny about atompub.org and the strange dating site links on it. Maybe atompub.org has been compromised?
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@thejeffbyrnes Joining the protest today for the free web: http://thejeffbyrnes.com Join me: https://thedaywefightback.org/ #stopspying #openrights #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/433269549644152832)
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gRegor` For those in the US, I recommend participating in https://thedaywefightback.org/ today. Spread the word.
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 9 hours ago: - you may want to consider submitting a short (one paragraph?) proposal for a brief discussion of indieweb comments/likes/reposts at this workshop 2014-04-02: http://www.w3.org/2014/04/annotation/#participate
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benwerd tantek: thanks, will do!
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tantek happy to help contribute or collaborate too
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tantek not sure I'll do a proposal of my own so I figure I can help with others'
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aaronpk ah yes I need to do that too
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aaronpk makes a note
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benwerd is going to have a much more flexible schedule from May 1, and is looking to going to a lot more of this kind of thing
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aaronpk !!
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snarfed benwerd: …begging the question…?!
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benwerd more tomorrow, offline ;)
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snarfed sounds good
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benwerd but I'm reorganizing around giving this a much bigger share of my time.
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benwerd looking forward to catching up tomorrow in general.
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tantek benwerd, can't wait! :)
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andysylvester.com edited /events/2014-02-12-homebrew-website-club (+181) "/* Blog posts */" (view diff)
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benwerd Is anyone running their personal site through CloudFlare?
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wagle as far as I can tell, my personal site is three 3T disks at home, not that its past the "hi i'm a seed!" stage
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wagle i worry about stranding it out there where it can get stuck in a undumpable state
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wagle (3 == 1 main, and 2 backups)
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onewheelskyward benwerd Not personal, but athletepath.com runs through it.
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onewheelskyward We've had some interesting stuff happen.
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@mcburton Really nice post by @jeena about getting indiewebified. I'm finally staring to grok #indieweb https://jeena.net/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/433354692312051713)
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@mcburton IndieWebify.Me - A guide to getting you on the #IndieWeb http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/433355221347991553)
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caseorga_ Jeena++
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Loqi Jeena has 1 karma
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@caseorganic A nice introduction to IndieWeb! Just in time for Home Brew Website Club! https://jeena.net/indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/11/3/) (twitter.com/_/status/433358723877068800)
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@AlexandreVega RT @caseorganic: A nice introduction to IndieWeb! Just in time for Home Brew Website Club! https://jeena.net/indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/11/3/) (twitter.com/_/status/433359002202685441)
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KartikPrabhu http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-02/06/tim-berners-lee-reclaim-the-web kinda ironic that this article has comments driven by facebook, one of which says "Why is the text in the comment-section a billion times smaller than on the rest of the page?"
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@benwerd As a general policy, if your site supports #indieweb & I'm replying to you, I won't syndicate the reply via .. http://werd.io/2014/as-a-general-policy-if-your-site-supports-indieweb-im (twitter.com/_/status/433359928871251968)
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@Cloudy_Mine Join our mission or simply keep up to date with our current products on our Facebook page -> https://www.facebook.com/ownyourdata #cloudymine (twitter.com/_/status/433370933714116609)
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KartikPrabhu maybe cloudy_mine should have an actual webpage before tweeting #ownyourdata !
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KartikPrabhu refer to: http://www.cloudymine.com/
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tantek yeah seriously
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tantek clearly they don't know how to own their own data, how do they expect anyone to take them seriously about ownyourdata?
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aaronpk why do they have a screenshot of the apple site in a little circle
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aaronpk that looks like a weird form of spam site
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tantek aaronpk - yeah, probably should report it as spam on FB
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aaronpk already did
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gRegor` Haha. "The CloudyMine Story: CloudyMine is located in sunny San Diego, California."
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gRegor` "cool story, bro."
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tantek also reported as spam or scam
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bret.io edited /events/2014-02-12-homebrew-website-club (+79) "/* RSVP */ I think I'll be going" (view diff)
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ehlovader where do you log in
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ehlovader has demo creds
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KartikPrabhu no idea. I wouldn't log in to that from anywhere anyway!
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ehlovader haha
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ehlovader it is wordpress
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ehlovader maybe the creds are for that
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ehlovader startup edition is doge based technology it seems
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ehlovader there are two others, who apparently have stricter privacy settings. but here is a potential who behind cloudy mine http://i.imgur.com/kmUfstw.png
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ehlovader https://www.facebook.com/young.colvin
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ehlovader yup
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ehlovader doges
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ehlovader domain by proxy http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?k=8ofTzmJZkNI0SxqbalnalbnRM93tJYx4pP01v6qFV0nOuZpMVWgL6Ay0qfzcscyy&domain=cloudymine.com&prog_id=GoDaddy
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ehlovader rackspace hosting http://www.whoishostingthis.com/cloudymine.com#.
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ehlovader ragtag set of tools behind it http://builtwith.com/cloudymine.com
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ehlovader no SSL
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ehlovader sorry, I suffer from a form of tourettes involving doxxing
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ehlovader they probably should have turned this off... http://http://23.253.101.75/
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ehlovader http://23.253.101.75/
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ehlovader I should probably see someone about this
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Loqi agreed.
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ehlovader anyone know any doxxing specialists in the midwest that they would recommend?
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KartikPrabhu ehlovader: that is some detailed investigation!!
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KartikPrabhu kinda sad that RSS still rules 38% of syndication http://trends.builtwith.com/feeds/
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wagle <curious> whats wrong with RSS?
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KartikPrabhu wagle: I don't know the all the ins and outs, my opinions are informed just by trying to have a good RSS feed on my site. And you know it was quite hard to get RSS right...
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wagle feedly seems to do ok, but i dont know better, maybe
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KartikPrabhu no. I mean authoring. Once you write the correct RSS, feedly and others will read it just fine
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wagle yahoo pipes might be better if I ever got a round tuit
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wagle oic, sorry
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KartikPrabhu Also Atom was supposed to replace RSS but I really isn't that much better to write
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wagle i have zero experience in this area
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tantek wagle - http://indiewebcamp.com/RSS
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wagle enough places do it that I thought it moderately easy
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tantek it's a dying/dead end
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yup that link :)
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KartikPrabhu mf2 is so much cleaner!!
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aaronpk I had a round tuit once
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wagle thanks tantek
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KartikPrabhu note - write post about feed formats...
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aaronpk mine looked something like this http://jbburrows.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/round-tuit.jpg
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wagle i hear they are especially good to have on rainy days
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