#indiewebcamp 2014-01-25

2014-01-25 UTC
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tantek pdurbin, that presupposes an instead. :)
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pdurbin tantek: so JSON-LD doesn't solve any problems you have, I take it
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tantek pdurbin - I haven't see any description of any real world problems that *anybody* has that it solves (better than existing / simpler alternatives).
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tantek hence YAGNI
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tantek rather than IAGNI ;)
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pdurbin so why are Google, the BBC, et al. using it? https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/wiki/Users-of-JSON-LD
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tantek plenty of big orgs use overly complex technologies they don't need to be.
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tantek usually the result of some short term evangelism or personal pet project. however over time extra overhead from complexity tends to get it either neglected, shut down, or transitioned to something else.
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tantek also, pdurbin - have you looked at the Google citation in that list? it's not even a use *on the web*
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tantek and speaking of such transitions, sometimes you see such big orgs take a minor step when they transition from something *more* complex to something still complex (but simpler). from that list, looks like some dumping RDFa to go to JSON-LD. which might also be a fashion statement.
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tantek that is, fashion as in, "RDF*" has a reputation of being ugly (regardless of what it is attached to), and "JSON" has a reputation of the new hotness the kids like.
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pdurbin tantek: so if you're already invested in RDF... maybe look at JSON-LD? Otherwise, don't bother?
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tantek that's pattern that can be seemingly discerned from that github link you pasted
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tantek I mean, I guess it keeps RDF/LD people employed?
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tantek from a broader perspective, it's not even clear that's worth the time to fight big (especially silo) companies adopting complex technologies - because all they're doing is saddling themselves with technical debt.
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tantek I should say, from an indieweb perspective, doesn't it help us (indieweb) look better in comparison if/when silos become less efficient of their own doing?
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Loqi it is probable
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tantek thanks Loqi :P
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Loqi you're welcome
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pdurbin lolz
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tantek to put it in a more positive light, it makes more sense for us (indieweb) to focus on designing/implementing the simplest possible technologies directly necessary for our use-cases, and not worry about more complex approaches (or who claims to use them), except as priori art research (to avoid repeating mistakes).
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tantek s/priori/prior
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Loqi tantek meant to say: to put it in a more positive light, it makes more sense for us (indieweb) to focus on designing/implementing the simplest possible technologies directly necessary for our use-cases, and not worry about more complex approaches (or who claims to use them), except as prior art research (to avoid repeating mistakes).
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pdurbin +1 for positive :)
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pdurbin "IndieWebCamp is an intentionally positive community" -- http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct :)
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pdurbin tantek: thanks. I appreciate your perspective on all this
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tantek thanks pdurbin. yeah I keep trying to come back to working on, enabling actually personally (to each of us) useful use-cases. I think as long as we as a community keep focusing on that, we'll be more productive and empowering.
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tantek and on that note - I'm out for the night - have a good evening / weekend!
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Loqi [mention] http://nz.24hournewsonline.com/2014/01/24/will-non-profit-foundations-step-up-to-save-the-internet-dan-gillmor/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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bret bye!
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Loqi barnabywalters: bnvk left you a message 1 day, 2 hours ago: ahhhh http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Ghost-ship-cannibal-rats-crash-Devon-coast/story-20487670-detail/story.html
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Loqi barnabywalters: jonnybarnes left you a message 1 day ago: all the articles on waterpigs.co.uk have the same published date and time, if you dont already know
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barnabywalters bnvk: ha ha that’s amazing
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: indeed I did not know that! very strange indeed, thanks for the heads up
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bnvk sup homie
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Loqi [mention] http://www.berbix.com/pictures-2/will-non-profit-foundations-step-up-to-save-the-internet-dan-gillmor/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.berbix.com/pictures-2/will-non-profit-foundations-step-up-to-save-the-internet-dan-gillmor/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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@ehafen “@ikf_ehealth: Donors should have access to their own raw data provided to biobanks: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140123142001.htm#.UuOuz35Wo_U.twitter #data #open_notes” #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/427127235943075841)
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Loqi [mention] http://shopchristmas.org/http:/shopchrismas.org/will-non-profit-foundations-step-up-to-save-the-internet-dan-gillmor linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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snarfed.org edited /ActivityStreams (+258) "activitystreams-unofficial: microformats2.py" (view diff)
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@_crossdiver OH: "I figure if I'm gonna be in a silo, I'm just gonna be in ONE silo" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/427206421046779904)
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barnabywalters I got a composite homepage feed working on waterpigs.co.uk!
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barnabywalters *finally*
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barnabywalters now to tidy up the code changes behind it and make some new content types
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barnabywalters I’m consistently amazed by how speedy a CSV file index is
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barnabywalters it’s just a pity there’s no ORDER BY equivalent — that’s going to end up being the thing which forces me to use a database in the end I think
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pdurbin index?
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barnabywalters pdurbin: yeah, I’m doing this stupid hipster thing where I use a CSV file instead of an SQL database
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barnabywalters partly to see how far it can be pushed, partly for learning experience
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (+162) "/* Roadmap */ Reorganised roadmap" (view diff)
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pdurbin barnabywalters: sure. http://wiki.greptilian.com/haunts on my site is powered by a CSV file using this: http://ikiwiki.info/plugins/table/
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barnabywalters pdurbin: nice!
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (+81) "/* IndieWeb Support */ Updated support, tidied, removed redundant information" (view diff)
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pdurbin :)
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pdurbin technically, it's a TSV: http://git.greptilian.com/?p=wiki.git;a=blob;f=haunts/haunts.tsv
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /Taproot (+306) "/* Taproot */ added library links, struck out no-longer-used php-helpers, noted extraction process" (view diff)
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snarfed has anyone ever managed to make a webmention recipient infinite loop by setting source to the webmention endpoint?
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snarfed nm, source is fetched with GET, which wouldn't recurse
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snarfed less talk, more code, indeed
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/1453049941575679/677541878 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/1453049941575679/11500459 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/1453049941575679/212038 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/1453049941575679/214611 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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snarfed aaronpk: in case you haven't seen, http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/01/29/1/homebrew-website-club
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snarfed (the rsvps)
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snarfed we'll need to work on the interop and formatting a bit, but that's doable
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snarfed to expand on that...
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snarfed bridgy users: bridgy now send rsvp webmentions for Facebook events