#indiewebcamp 2014-01-24
2014-01-24 UTC
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KartikPrabhu Loqi make some noise!
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li3n3 such talking
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pdurbin JSON-LD and Why I Hate the Semantic Web | The Beautiful, Tormented Machine - http://manu.sporny.org/2014/json-ld-origins-2/
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# AndySylvester Hello, this is my first time to use IRC
# AndySylvester I have installed the Webmention WordPress plugin on my site at http://andysylvester.com
# AndySylvester I am trying to figure out how to test it, looking at indiewebcap.com/webmention
# AndySylvester I used curl to try to send a webmention to one of my posts, but got a response "503 Service Temporarily Unavailable"
# AndySylvester I put webmention.org as the endpoint
# AndySylvester Can anyone provide a pointer to any other instructions?
# KartikPrabhu endpoint is somethign on your site that processes the webmention. not webmention.org
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# AndySylvester Looking at http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#How_to_Test_Webmentions, the first example seems to provide a way to find the endpoint
# AndySylvester what should I be looking for?
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# KartikPrabhu that is not the end point. that is the rel value of the link to an end point. for example. my site uses <link rel=webmention href="http://kartikprabhu.com/webmention" /> the endpoint is the href value
# KartikPrabhu AndySylvester: what does the Wordpress plugin tell you to set the endpoint as?
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# AndySylvester the plugin page (https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention) does not say anything about the end point
# AndySylvester when I look at the HTML in my site, the href value is http://andysylvester.com/?webmention=endpoint
# KartikPrabhu did you put that or the plugin?
# AndySylvester jthe plugin
# AndySylvester I just tried that href value in my curl command, got 404 Not Found
# KartikPrabhu the curl you should be sending is with source = some other URL and target = one of your posts
# AndySylvester ok, I will try that
# KartikPrabhu for instance: curl -i -d "source=$your_url&target=$target_url" $targets_webmention_endpoint
# KartikPrabhu so target will be url of your post. targets_endpoint will be your endpoint and source is some other post that links to yours
# AndySylvester for this test, does the other post have to link to my post?
# KartikPrabhu if it does then something nice will happen. else there will be a 400 ''can't find target'
# KartikPrabhu I just tried sending a mention from one of my posts to http://andysylvester.com/2014/01/21/first-steps-in-using-indieauth/ and I got that reply :)
# AndySylvester ok, I will create a quick test post and link to a post
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/first-note linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
# KartikPrabhu in fact I just sent a mention to your post http://kartikprabhu.com/article/first-note
# KartikPrabhu sorry your post: http://andysylvester.com/2014/01/21/first-steps-in-using-indieauth/ from my post: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/first-note
# KartikPrabhu did you get some sort of comment for moderation?
# pfenwick Oh my, this is rather brilliant. (Provide social sharing buttons, but maintain user privacy by requiring the user to activate them.) http://panzi.github.io/SocialSharePrivacy/
# AndySylvester let me check
# KartikPrabhu AndySylvester: It is alive! a comment from my site appeared on yours :D
# AndySylvester yes! I saw your comment and mine!
# AndySylvester Thank you, Kartik!
# KartikPrabhu you're welcome!
# AndySylvester I am going to update my Webmention post with some more information, I think that this needs a screencast as well
# KartikPrabhu yes go ahead. the more info there is, the better for new comers. maybe also post it as a resource on the indiewebcamp wiki
# AndySylvester I will plan to have one completed before the Homebrew Website Club meeting in Portland next week http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club
# KartikPrabhu I still jump up and down (in my head) whenever webmention works! it is so awesome
# KartikPrabhu webmention++
# AndySylvester I will add a link to the screencast when I have it posted
# KartikPrabhu nods
# KartikPrabhu hope that pumps me to fix my own webmention parsing code.
# KartikPrabhu bear: any thoughts/ideas on adding received webmention parsing to ronkyuu?
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# AndySylvester looking at my curl response, I wonder why it would have a 404 Not Found message even though I was able to see the webmention comment
# KartikPrabhu bear: let me know if you find one. did you look at the one tommorris was "working" on?
# KartikPrabhu AndySylvester: this is for your own mention?
# AndySylvester yes
# AndySylvester I will post a screenshot in a few minutes
# KartikPrabhu bear: this - http://code.tommorris.org/mf2py
# KartikPrabhu it is the only python one listed on the mf2 site
# KartikPrabhu i was planning to look into that next to fix/improve my mention parsing. but it all depends on how much physics i have to do
# KartikPrabhu hah yes
# AndySylvester Kartik, I uploaded a screenshot to http://andysylvester.com/2014/01/24/testing-the-wordpress-webmention-plugin/
# AndySylvester to show the curl response
# snarfed pfenwick: yup! as another example, bruce schneier has been doing the same thing for a while on https://www.schneier.com/
# KartikPrabhu AndySylvester: that is very curious indeed. It didn't find something but the webmention went through successfully!
# KartikPrabhu AndySylvester: here is a possible reason - if you put http://andysylvester.com/?webmention=endpoint in the browser you see that your server is returning a 404. but the plugin still somehow captures it and processes the mention
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@AndySylvester99 @pfefferle I am testing your Webmention WP plugin, so far so good! http://andysylvester.com/?p=173 (twitter.com/_/status/426588889793302528)
# KartikPrabhu wait it was doing that a minute ago. but now it isn't
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# AndySylvester Kartik, I see "'source' is missing" in the browser tab when I go to http://andysylvester.com/?webmention=endpoint
# KartikPrabhu yes. now I do to. You should try the curl again to see if it gives the same result...
# AndySylvester Signing off for tonight, thanks for all the help
# KartikPrabhu no problem!
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# Loqi [mention] http://argentinaserver.net/will-non-profit-foundations-step-up-to-save-the-internet-dan-gillmor/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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jonnybarnes !tell barnabywalters all the articles on waterpigs.co.uk have the same published date and time, if you dont already know
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# Loqi [mention] http://pnews.us/will-non-profit-foundations-step-up-to-save-the-internet-dan-gillmor/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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# Loqi [mention] http://buzzstake.com/will-non-profit-foundations-step-up-to-save-the-internet-dan-gillmor/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles (pingback)
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# jonnybarnes does anyone know if indieauth fails with custom URLs?
# jonnybarnes i.e. I'm testing my website on my local machine which uses the domain jb.dev
# jonnybarnes trying to implement indieauth sing-in and I'm at the indieauth login page
# jonnybarnes oh, what html is it collecting? the rel=me links are on jonnybarnes.net which I'm logging in with
# jonnybarnes yes
# jonnybarnes and it doesn't work
# jonnybarnes I click one of the links that looks like so: https://indieauth.com/auth/start?me=https%3A%2F%2Fjonnybarnes.net&profile=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjonnybarnes&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fjb.dev%2Fauth
# jonnybarnes and it goes back to the same page
# jonnybarnes listing the verified identities for jonnybarnes.net
# jonnybarnes hmmm
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# jonnybarnes still doing the same, and theres now no way a request to jb.dev/auth has any redirect
# jonnybarnes its currently set up to var_dump has token or has not token
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# jonnybarnes so, is the problem at my end?
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aaronpk can you try with a redirect URI that doesn't make sense, like http://foobar.dev
# jonnybarnes foobar.dev worked
# jonnybarnes well obv I got a server not found error
# aaronpk what happens if you visit https://jb.dev/auth?token=xxx
# jonnybarnes currently I get 'has_token' as that whats my code is set to do
# jonnybarnes my routes.php points requets to auth at that function
# jonnybarnes but that should redirect to jb.dev/notes/new shouldn't it
# aaronpk but does your /notes/new redirect to indieauth if you're not logged in?
# jonnybarnes or should I set it to an absolute URL and see if that works?
# jonnybarnes ahh, ill have a see
# jonnybarnes nope, notes/new only checks if the session value is set to determine if there should be an indieauth login form displayed
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# 
tantek noting Dan Gillmor's article on The Guardian as well: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/24/save-the-open-internet-foundations
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# jonnybarnes so it kind of works, I can set foobar.dev as the redirect, and get a server not found error
# jonnybarnes then I can change that to jb.dev/auth and hit enter and my code successfully verifies the token with indieauth.com
# jonnybarnes just can't get the redirect working
# jonnybarnes hopefully it'll work when I push the code to jonnybarnes.net
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# jonnybarnes aaronpk: this is defo something on my end, heres the output from Live HTTP Headers: https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/8603918
# jonnybarnes jb.dev has the right Location value
# jonnybarnes if I manually goto that address then everything works
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# jonnybarnes aaronpk: disalbed several ff extentions like ghostery and no script, tried and it worked
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# jonnybarnes aaronpk: by process of elimination the NoScript plugin is stopping the redirect
# jonnybarnes I don't know why though
# jonnybarnes working now, it was the application boundaries enforcer setting in noscript that was stopping the final redirect
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# jonnybarnes can someone do me a favour? this page doesn't let anyone actually post a new note yet, but can someone check they can sign-in through indieauth? https://jonnybarnes.net/notes/new
# jonnybarnes crap
# jonnybarnes hang on :)
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# aaronpk jonnybarnes: read the "Usage for Clients" section here, and feel free to use this library to do the discovery https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
# KartikPrabhu1 jonnybarnes: Firefox can't find the server at jb.dev. it says
# jonnybarnes should work now
# jonnybarnes ?
# jonnybarnes great
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# jonnybarnes thanks for the info aaronpk, btw looking at your site it sends a header: PK-Request-Duration: 268.755 whats that?
# KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: it worked for me too now!
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KevinMarks I got to login
# jonnybarnes thanks for trying guys
# jonnybarnes home page. also I've realsied
# jonnybarnes realised my map is now broken since Ive added the second form to the page
# jonnybarnes should be fixed now
# jonnybarnes at least after a head refresh
# jonnybarnes the map should now appear in the right form
# jonnybarnes head = hard
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# benatkin stumbled on this Laravel PHP Conf page https://conference.laravel.com/ - their code of contact is very succinct
# pdurbin tantek: I'm curious if you saw http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-01-23/line/1390529406 (and after)
# pdurbin some nice discussion of JSON-LD here as well: http://rest.hackyhack.net/2014-01-24.html#50/h50
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# jonnybarnes YAGNI?