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# 01:16 aaronpk I know tantek left a note on one of the items in my wiki-list version, but that was the only other time someone has interacted with my list on the wiki # 01:17 tantek plus the changes would show up on RecentChanges on the wiki # 01:18 aaronpk so I do like the community aspect of having this on the wiki # 01:18 aaronpk and having updates in RecentChanges is a huge plus (assuming people actually read RecentChanges) # 01:19 tantek well they do because recent changes show up here automatically # 01:20 tantek so when someone is adding things to their itching or implementing things, little automatic updates happen here in the channel # 01:20 tantek I think that's a really nice community-positive aspect of putting some of this stuff in a shared space like that. # 01:21 tantek it simultaneous gives a greater feeling of camaraderie and peer pressure ;) ryana joined the channel
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# 01:24 aaronpk I just find the large text box cumbersome to deal with myself # 01:25 aaronpk and interestingly this is a good use case for community aggregators! (the wiki and IRC channel being one already) bnvk joined the channel
# 01:27 tantek aaronpk - I agree about a use-case for community aggregators - but that's future thinking right? # 01:28 tantek I mean, until we have those, does it make sense to break what's working now? # 01:28 tantek the itching etc. lists were interesting because they were high level lists / notifications - feature level # 01:29 tantek whereas we don't need every github change to go to the channel - that would likely get too noisy # 01:29 aaronpk I might add some stuff to the wiki like that, but it was getting frustrating for me to maintain my actual todo list there # 01:29 tantek yeah - that kind of frustration is annoying - sorry to hear that fmarier joined the channel
# 01:30 aaronpk i'll take another look tonight and see if there's some way to add back some high-level things on the wiki tilgovi and KartikPrabhu joined the channel
# 01:48 aaronpk a mediawiki extension to render a list of issues from github into the wiki page # 01:49 aaronpk like <githubissues src="https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues?labels=priority%3Aitching"> # 01:50 tantek but would those show up in search? or "what links here" or etc.? # 01:50 aaronpk not sure if search runs on the mediawiki source or on the rendered content after running plugins # 01:52 tantek and as discussed before - the full view of the issues is much more interesting than the summary titles/names # 01:52 tantek which is why I personally don't like lists of github issues # 01:53 tantek also it starts to feel like an oppressive email inbox :( # 01:53 tantek lists of items to click into to do (regardless of context) just sucks UI wise because you have to click into and out of each one # 01:53 tantek whereas when its totally flat, you just keep scrolling # 01:53 aaronpk I think I've avoided that feeling by using tags, so that I don't ever actually look at the full list, I always look at various slices # 01:53 tantek and it's also a nice forcing function to get you to simplify / reduce issues over all # 01:54 tantek since the big bulky issues really stand out compared to the short ones # 01:54 tantek anything where I have to click into and click out of is too much loss of overall context scor, fritzy, smus, tantek, fritzy_, poppy and alaricmoore joined the channel
# 02:59 bret Github issues IS the silod portion of github. I really wish I could clone my issues, like I can with with wiki # 03:00 bret I started using it though as a replacement todo list, since project TODOs tend to stagnate daily todo lists skinny joined the channel
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# 03:07 bret really what I would like is a cli todo list that displays a global todo list if the current director lacks a .todo list julian` joined the channel
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# 04:15 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next # 04:25 julian` whats the most commonly used way of presenting the date # 04:25 julian` dd mm yyyy is in uk but i think most people dont follow that way # 04:27 aaronpk I prefer Jan 1, 2013 so there is no ambiguity and is human-friendly # 04:28 aaronpk tho if my audience is at all technical, then I do yyyy-mm-dd # 04:28 aaronpk also if i'm showing dates in a table, then I prefer yyyy-mm-dd beacuse it stacks better jschweinsberg joined the channel
# 04:44 aaronpk or, if the form field cannot be typed into and can only be set with the date picker, then Jan 1, 2013 # 04:45 julian` that feels so wrong from a UK person's point of view when entering that into a form lol # 04:45 julian` its inbuilt into my head so much that day comes first # 04:46 aaronpk it may be worth noting that Twitter uses the format "1 Jan 13" # 04:51 KartikPrabhu julian`: I am also used to dd-mm-yyyy. I would have a date picker so people can explcitly pick days and month but then store it in database in the standard iso-format # 04:54 julian` and also since month is written fully its pretty obvious which field they should insert the month into # 05:09 KartikPrabhu would love to see the finished form if that is possible. Just for my own educational purpose fritzy joined the channel
# 05:10 bret aaronpk there is taskwarrior for CLI todos, its very well done, but its almost too complicated and it does not allow for directory level list overides, and their is no mobile client # 05:12 julian` im not sure if youre being sarcastic haha but sure # 05:13 KartikPrabhu julian`: no sarcasm. I am not very experienced with forms and so would like to see it # 05:14 julian` only problem im gonna have is not being experienced enough to change the options to display the correct amount of days for a given month.. leap years etc lol smus joined the channel
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# 05:17 bret cool! I have seen if before. looks nice! # 05:18 bret julian` do you have access to the html? # 05:18 bret wow @9, isnt that a hard to get name on twitter? # 05:20 bret julian` find your <a href="http://twitter.com/9">here</a> link, and add a rel="me" so it looks like <a rel="me" href="http://twitter.com/9">here</a> # 05:22 KartikPrabhu julian`: that is one of the things I am worried about in IndieAuth. It requires you to connect profiles that you may not want to # 05:23 bret julian` you can use any of the supported auth providers # 05:23 bret you can switch to SMS or TOTP authentication after the initial authentication and remove the links after # 05:24 aaronpk you can also use email and authenticate via persona # 05:24 aaronpk but yes SMS and TOTP require an initial registration # 05:24 aaronpk also, new version of indieauth spec allows you to implement your own login provider if you really want to # 05:25 aaronpk but that's not implemented anywhere yet, just documented at spec.indieauth.com (it's a mouthful!) # 05:26 bret julian`, the idea is that you use an auth provider you feel comfortable linking to your home page. Obviosly a personal website with a CV etc linking to some anonomous twitter handle would be silly. Github tends to be fairly consistant with a peronal website in terms of the level of identity they tend to reveal # 05:27 bret IndieAuth is all about your domain as an identity, thats its primary purpose. # 05:27 julian` im just worried about kids ringing up my university and causing hassle lol # 05:29 bret julian` then you can add yourself to the list :) obensource_ joined the channel
# 05:37 julian` document.writeln("<option value=\"" + i + "\">" + i + "</option>"); # 05:38 julian` i want the value=" " to be i and also i inbetween the options # 05:38 KartikPrabhu julian': about ading to list - log in with indieauth and click edit at the bottom of the page and add yourself in the same format as others # 05:39 julian` someone messed up the alphabetical sort on it lol obensource_ joined the channel
# 05:57 julian` what's a sensible year to go back to for a "day-lookup" script paulcp, netweb and skinny joined the channel
# 06:08 KartikPrabhu julian`: depends on what you want to use it for? for birthdays maybe a 100 years at the most. smus, npdoty_, sammyjunior and tantek joined the channel
# 06:33 bret btw aaronpk, super cool gh-issues plugin! obensource and alaricmoore joined the channel
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# 07:07 aaronpk thinking about how to add OAuth-like capabilities to IndieAuth # 07:11 aaronpk similarly, would also be useful if someone develops bestwritingapp.io and other people could sign in and allow it to create posts on their site # 07:11 aaronpk right now, IndieAuth is only about identifying who someone is. it's not a far stretch to take what OAuth has done with authorizations and apply it there. skinny joined the channel
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# 07:30 tantek aaronpk - yeah - those OAuth questions are good ones # 07:31 tantek that feels like it could benefit from an in-person discussion # 07:32 tantek how can we salvage what happened to OAuth at IETF? # 07:34 aaronpk diving back into it this month :) with a new structure and new target audience # 07:34 aaronpk focused on building an OAuth server rather than about OAuth in general # 07:35 tantek aaronpk - OAuth is still too hard on the client side fmarier_ joined the channel
# 07:36 tantek this section is fascinating aaronpk: "Show newest/actionable content first on home page" # 07:37 aaronpk that was inspired by one of your comments I believe, while you were creating your mobile home screen # 07:38 aaronpk also from the comments I heard from a couple people about my recent notes being too hard to find on my home page # 07:40 tantek aaronpk - I think a lot of that gets solved with a simple composite stream # 07:40 tantek just time-ordered - and the recent notes float to the top andreypopp joined the channel
# 07:41 aaronpk i'm still not convinced on the composite stream. I feel like the rate of things I create is too varied. # 07:42 tantek I'm not sure where I'm going to put my "Recent Articles" box when I linearize everything for a mobile-first presentation # 07:42 tantek I've figure out where to put everything else but that in my sidebar # 07:42 aaronpk articles ~1/month, notes ~5/week, photos ~1/day, checkins ~5/day, music ~10/hour in bursts # 07:43 tantek FB puts music in a completely different composite side stream (along with likes and comments that you've made) # 07:43 tantek and then puts articles, notes, photos, checkins in the primary composite stream # 07:44 tantek so I think that's a reasonable starting point # 07:44 tantek I think that's why they put music, likes, comments in that mini side stream # 07:44 tantek because there's so many more of them more often than the other types # 07:44 tantek and the other types (articles, notes, photos, checkins) all flow well together in practice # 07:45 tantek and they're also primary first-person activities # 07:45 tantek vs. music (passive), and likes/comments (meta / about / virtual activities) # 07:45 tantek and in the mobile view - the secondary composite mini-stream is gone completely (it shows up on desktop only) # 07:45 aaronpk that was also the distinction I was trying to make (active / passive) # 07:46 tantek it's first-person-active vs. passive + virtual + about-other-people's-stuff # 07:47 tantek even though it's something happening in the physical world # 07:48 aaronpk so really the distinction is simpler than that, articles/notes/photos/checkins are things I intentionally create bnvk and Jihaisse joined the channel
# 07:54 julian` woohoo got a date option generator which starts at the current date # 07:56 tantek aaronpk - yes - things you intentionally create proactively, excluding things you "create" *reactively* to others' creations (likes, comments, replies) # 08:02 tantek RSVPs are an interesting edge case / hybrid - they're in reaction, and yet, making plans in the physical world is a proactive act. # 08:03 poppy i'm learning some things for private messaging involving even more PKI which might work for indie auth but, you know, would probably take browser changes # 08:04 Loqi poppy meant to say: i'm learning some things for private messaging involving even more PKI which might work for indie auth but, you know, would probably require browser changes eschnou joined the channel
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# 08:07 poppy because what I currently do requires trusting a new root CA, which isn't exactly palatable tantek, squeakytoy and pfenwick joined the channel
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# 16:04 tantek one week until the next Homebrew Website Club meeting! obensource_ joined the channel
# 16:26 tantek aaronpk - want to post an Indie Event for the PDX folks? I'm still working on my event posts so I can post one for SF. # 16:27 bear mcepl - I haven't started, but IndieAuth with Python is on my todo list LukasRos, KevinMarks, jschweinsberg, friedcell, npdoty_, _6a68, fritzy, KartikPrabhu and obensource_ joined the channel
# 17:09 tommorris tantek: looks like Yahoo! want to buy Imgur. sunsetting awaits. glennjones joined the channel
# 17:14 tommorris the dirty Tumblrs don't seem to be going anywhere, just filtered from search results andreypopp and smus joined the channel
# 17:37 aaronpk wait wait why does yahoo want to buy *another* web property full of dirty images brianloveswords joined the channel
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# 18:21 snarfed !tell sandeepshetty thanks! belatedly. btw likes and reposts are next on my list, and you and barry frost may have the most experience w/handling incoming u-likes and u-reposts, so i'd love to test against your site. please sign up! :P # 18:21 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next _6a68, npdoty_, glennjones, KartikPrabhu and sandeepshetty joined the channel
# 18:28 Loqi sandeepshetty: snarfed left you a message 6 minutes ago: thanks! belatedly. btw likes and reposts are next on my list, and you and barry frost may have the most experience w/handling incoming u-likes and u-reposts, so i'd love to test against your site. please sign up! :P sandeepshetty, paulcp, _6a68, sandeepshetty_, fritzy, smus, squeakytoy and bear joined the channel
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# 18:53 snarfed thanks! any advice on u-like and u-repost, beyond looking at your examples? paulcp_ joined the channel
# 18:57 aaronpk hm let me check, chances are there weren't any missing # 18:58 bret wooo just got an indieauth error page, with its php showing # 18:59 snarfed sandeepshetty: yup. same for fb likes, g+ +1s and reshares, instagram likes, etc. i'm comfortable with the silo API side, i was just curious about any best practices on the mf2 side # 18:59 sandeepshetty snarfed: I've been away for a while... but looking at the examples should be enough... # 19:00 sandeepshetty aaronpk: that discussion was interesting... I haven't posted for a while now till I move to flat files # 19:05 bret oh crap. Dead hard drive? Lost/Stolen? andreypopp joined the channel
# 19:06 sandeepshetty dead but it was a good oppurtunity to get a Ubuntu pre-installed ultrabook KartikPrabhu1 joined the channel
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# 19:29 sandeepshetty hmm... thinking links to wiki pages should always be to a specific commit (I do this with github all the time - when I link to source code it's always to a specific version) # 19:31 aaronpk that's actually another benefit of moving those to github issues, everything has actual permalinks now # 19:31 sandeepshetty I have to look at history and get the last commit before that date/time to see it # 19:34 sandeepshetty in my move to flat files I'm leaning more towards a bliki.. so this is interesting for me.. I might have permalinks to point to specific rev # 19:37 bnvk aaronpk: are you half daying at the office? I'm having lunch kinda nearby, wanna meetup after? # 19:37 sandeepshetty it's another way to solve the dichotomy between notes and articles that most of you have # 19:38 aaronpk sandeepshetty: i'm pretty settled on my notes vs articles handling now # 19:40 tantek re: "problem with wiki pages in general" - no, only with fragment links. pages themselves as URL are fairly stable. # 19:40 sandeepshetty I've never had the distinction and I feel the need now. I might go the bliki route # 19:42 sandeepshetty so its just the fragment URL's that I need to worry about... turns out I do the same thing on github.. it's only when I'm pointing to a specific line that I use the commit url # 19:42 aaronpk yeah I do the same when pointing to a specific line, because it's pretty obvious that the line is going to mvoe in a later commit # 19:42 tantek sandeepshetty - I actually do use posts and wiki pages quite differently from an intention and semantic point of view. # 19:42 tantek though I do like doing *some* versioning in my posts (with ins/del tags) # 19:43 tantek I like that with posts I'm capturing a snapshot/thoughts as of a certain point in time (modulo a few edits soon thereafter) # 19:43 tantek and that I can leave it as is - and write a new post when I learn new things # 19:43 sandeepshetty tantek: I've spent the last few days trying to resolve the differences and I think I like where it's going now # 19:44 bnvk tantek: aaronpk: did either of you respond to Aral's email yet? # 19:44 aaronpk I don't think I documented this anywhere, but for a while my whole site was wiki pages and I eventually got frustrated with the burden of keeping the wiki pages up to date # 19:44 tantek I create wiki pages when either A) all I have is a loose collection of thoughts/links that don't make sense yet in a serial narrative prose (yet), or B) when I intend to have a page represent "the current" state of something # 19:44 Loqi tantek meant to say: I create wiki pages when either A) all I have is a loose collection of thoughts/links that don't make sense yet in a serial narrative prose (yet), or B ) when I intend to have a page represent "the current" state of something # 19:44 aaronpk like tantek says, having posts as a snapshot is great because it's totally ok to leave them unchanged after creating them and write a new one instead # 19:45 tantek and also having a datetime stamped reference to cite # 19:45 aaronpk I started to feel burdened by having wiki pages get stale # 19:45 tantek aaronpk - indeed, it takes practice to write "future proof" wiki page content. I'm still figuring it out myself ;) # 19:45 aaronpk and yea having the datestamp on an article is useful, wiki pages tend to not have that unless you go look at the page history # 19:46 sandeepshetty I'm thinking of it as just two ways to browse stuff on my site.. by data or by following the links (and recent changes) # 19:46 tantek bnvk - no, still unsure how to respond to Aral's email or indie/indiephone/indieos/indiecloud in general # 19:46 tantek frankly I'm pretty disappointed by the whole thing # 19:46 tantek and I'm wrestling with how to make positive recommendations instead of just unloading a massive rant # 19:47 bnvk hehe, I just wrote him after a totally non community friend wrote me saying "Hey you should connect with this guy making IndiePhone..." # 19:47 tantek I don't think Aral understands how much he has upset how many people # 19:47 bnvk Maybe I'll respond with some conjecture along those lines # 19:47 tantek the entire attitude and actions behind all of it is either very anti-community or disrespectful of community, even if that's not his intent # 19:48 tantek bnvk - and he's nearly never shown up in IRC nor on the wiki - just briefly around the time of IndieWebCampUK 2013 # 19:48 tantek bnvk - obviously it's not his intent. but it is what his actions and words are doing. # 19:48 tantek the whole trademark thing is complete and utter bullshit too # 19:49 bnvk yah, definitely an interesting / unusual take on an open source project # 19:49 tantek it's like if Opera had tried to trademark "web browser" # 19:50 tantek (Opera not even being an inventor of the concept or implementation of "web browser") # 19:50 tantek sandeepshetty - so far the best public response is benwerd's post # 19:51 sandeepshetty I saw that.. but I haven't seen Aral's response except for a few tweets to ben # 19:52 tantek except I strongly disagree with "in a very Jobsian way" - Jobs would actually SHIP the products the same day (if sometimes within weeks) that he announced in exciting keynotes # 19:52 tantek has a serious distaste for vaporware/conceptware. # 19:53 tantek sorry but indieweb and indiewebcamp have always been very focused on SHOWING rather than TELLING. on shipping code and prototypes to figure stuff out. # 19:53 tantek in that regard, IndiePhone goes against those principles of the indieweb # 19:53 tantek vote with code running on your own site. everything else is just talk. # 19:55 bnvk maybe that's why he didn't mention it, as he got that sense from our community and felt alienated by those principles- not that that is a bad thing, just a thing. # 19:55 bnvk designery minded ppl (from where I original hail) tend to wait on things until their polished and impressive- I fight this urge constantly # 19:55 tantek bnvk - it's ok if talkers get alienated by our principles, as by their very nature since they don't ship anything they don't actually make a difference. a bit harsh, but remember that other thing Steve Jobs said. # 20:01 tantek sandeepshetty we use docuwiki on wiki.csswg.org and it's IMO a lot worse than MediaWiki # 20:01 tantek so when wiki markup fails me, I can't just drop in some HTML # 20:03 tantek sandeepshetty - you've used MediaWiki on indiewebcamp.com :) fritzy joined the channel
# 20:04 tantek what do you mean in what way? I can just paste in HTML among the wiki text while editing a page and most of the time it just works. (in MediaWiki). # 20:09 sandeepshetty I mean I haven't used MediaWiki much (except for the occasional edits). Have been playing with doku for a bit now on my laptop # 20:09 Loqi sandeepshetty meant to say: I meant I haven't used MediaWiki much (except for the occasional edits). Have been playing with doku for a bit now on my laptop smus joined the channel
# 20:10 sandeepshetty tantek: i have a flaky connection so my replies are coming out of order... # 20:11 tantek at this point I wouldn't bother with any wiki software that didn't at least use MediaWiki syntax or markdown (or some improved fork of it). That's enough "plain text" syntaxes. smus_ joined the channel
# 20:11 sandeepshetty I'm just looking at it to see how they solve some of the flat file problems I forsee # 20:11 tantek and docuwiki makes up its own syntax - so that makes it a non-starter for me personally for any new uses. I put up with the CSSWG wiki because of legacy, though I'm moving stuff in bits to the W3C wiki (which uses mediawiki) friedcell and thatryana joined the channel
# 20:12 tantek sandeepshetty - I don't know about "foresee" any flat file problems. so far I'm charging ahead with flat files in Falcon pretty well. # 20:13 sandeepshetty most of the complexity is in the indexing.. and dokuwiki has an interesting way of solving it without using a db or a b+tree # 20:14 Loqi tantek meant to say: indexing? for what use cases? # 20:14 tantek so far I use *zero* indexing in Falcon for anything smus joined the channel
# 20:15 sandeepshetty I might be going with sqlllit for the index and keeping the content in files by quater like you # 20:18 tantek sandeepshetty - to be clear, I'm not doing "by quarter" (approximate 4ths of a year), I'm doing "by bim" (nearly exact 6ths of a year) which makes a difference because you can use math more easily to do lookups. # 20:18 tantek "get all tags used" sounds like a good use for a cache (which is simply updated upon request with posts made since the last request) # 20:18 sandeepshetty this stuff works right now on my db backed site so I need these when I move to flat files # 20:19 sandeepshetty I know. I'm just approximating to a quarter since I'm not going down the new calender way # 20:19 tantek "get posts by a specific tag" works by getting posts one bim at a time starting with most recent bim and working backwards (since such queries are nearly always time ordered recent first) # 20:20 tantek approximating to a quarter may make things more complicated/confusing since they won't map to existing calendar quarters. # 20:20 tantek or you could just drop those features for now # 20:21 tantek YYYYMM is misinterpreted by ISO8601 as YYMMDD # 20:22 tantek seems like another workable alternative (though date math is a pain) # 20:23 tantek because if numerically, then you're basically using 2bims as your granularity # 20:24 tantek will be interesting to see how that works for you # 20:25 sandeepshetty sorry i don't speak date-speak ... I have 1 file for JAN,FEB,MAR,APR, another for MAY,JUN,JUL,AUG and 1 for SEP,OCT,NOV,DEC # 20:25 tantek then again, seems like another workable alternative (though date math is a pain) # 20:25 tantek I'd say better to familiarize with datespeak if you're going to be using date-based storage ;) # 20:26 sandeepshetty that reminds me.. had to ask.. I'm guessing at the beginning of a new bim you have to span across two files right? bnvk joined the channel
# 20:28 sandeepshetty BTW, what sort of math related to dates are you referring to when looking up posts? # 20:29 sandeepshetty based on YYYY-MM is seems like it's easy to figure out where to look for a post # 20:29 Loqi sandeepshetty meant to say: based on YYYY-MM it seems like it's easy to figure out where to look for a post # 20:30 sandeepshetty when do you need to figure out next/prev day.. the file itself has posts in order so you can get the next/prev post from there # 20:31 Loqi sandeepshetty meant to say: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? andreypopp, smus, jschweinsberg and obensource joined the channel
# 20:59 bret tantek: re: arals indiephone: it seems like contributing to firefox os would be give him more of an actual chance at realizing some form of his vision. It seems unlikely any individual would ever be capable of putting together a phone through crowd funding. His examples against FFOS could all be addressed easily smus joined the channel
# 21:09 bret rephrased, it seems a 'phone' is a much larger project than any one individual can put together, and thus, the 'indie' label seems inappropriate fritzy, _6a68, snarfed, eschnou, paulcp, obensource, abrereton, LukasRos, pfenwick, smus, b0bg0d__, tilgovi, obensource_, sandeepshetty, earplugs1, lukebrooker, ryana and npdoty_ joined the channel
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# 22:36 tantek really? will be interesting to see the proof of concept. ;) fmarier joined the channel
# 22:37 snarfed tantek, were you talking to me? and did i somehow miss something bret said? # 22:37 tantek snarfed - yes, indirectly, via your wiki edit ;) # 22:37 tantek bret said something earlier about the whole indie phone thing. # 22:37 tantek about how it would be more productive to contribute to FirefoxOS than attempt to build yet another phone OS. # 22:38 snarfed i couldn't find the code in the jetpack repo, so i asked them for confirmation # 22:38 snarfed i'll look for an example POSSEd post from jetpack paulcp joined the channel
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aaronpk nice side-effect of moving my todo list for p3k to github issues, sandeep commented on a few things! https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/13
bret and tools like http://nodegh.io/ makes it even more convient
KartikPrabhu the most internationally standard one is yyyy-mm-dd
Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: my "itching" section now pulls from Github! http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Itching
aaronparecki.com edited /IndieAuth (-148) "/* To do */ "Set up indieauth.com as an OpenID delegate" is done!" (view diff)
tantek aaonpk - this is great! http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Itching
poppy i'm learning some things for private messaging involving even more PKI which might work for indie auth but, you know, would probably take browser changes
@sandeepshetty Brid.gy is awesome. Now if only I could remember that domain name when I needed it :) https://www.brid.gy/ (via @aaronpk) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/410692901987811328)
barnabywalters benatkin: such nick change. wow.
tantek.com edited /events/2013-12-18-homebrew-website-club (+5) "/* Where */ mozpdx wiki link" (view diff)
KevinMarks all racy imgur pictures to be NIPSA's into sunsets?
bret.io edited /events/2013-12-18-homebrew-website-club (+79) "/* RSVP */ I'll be there!" (view diff)