#indiewebcamp 2013-12-09

2013-12-09 UTC
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k () "(-2985) moved a bunch to github issues" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /p3k (+67) "/* Itching */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com moved /mobile_data_solutions to /mobile-data
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@JavaScriptFest @bradneuberg indieweb registration isn’t up yet but it’ll be on the indiewebcamp site, which appears to be having problems. (twitter.com/_/status/409862330856386560)
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@JavaScriptFest @aaronpk it wasn’t an indieweb issue, we were mistaken. (twitter.com/_/status/409863647725240321)
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@dougmckown Test post to FB. http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/409898191258001408)
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@mabulledu IndieWebCamp http://mabulledu.net/?p=6718 (twitter.com/_/status/409972968479940609)
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Loqi [mention] http://mabulledu.net/indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-fr (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://mabulledu.net/indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-fr (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://mabulledu.net/indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-fr (pingback)
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Jihaisse Hello
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neuro` Hi Jihaisse
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Loqi [mention] http://mabulledu.net/indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-fr (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://mabulledu.net/indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-fr (pingback)
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Loqi barnabywalters: snarfed left you a message 1 day, 7 hours ago: hey, just curious, do you know if your server is accepting webmentions ok? i'm seeing 400 'The specified source URI could not be fetched.' details: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1386467487&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNAsSB0NvbW1lbnQiJ3RhZzp0d2l0dGVyLmNvbSwyMDEzOjQwODQyMTQ5MTMzNjY3OTQyNAw
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Loqi [mention] http://mabulledu.net/indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth-fr (pingback)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I've been live tweeting with my indieweb tool www.noterlive,com (twitter.com/_/status/410011287926870016)
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@pypi webmentiontools 0.3.6: Tools for http://t.co/EwHCjg1mY3. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/webmentiontools/0.3.6 (twitter.com/_/status/410028524192272384)
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@xtof_fr #UX mobile - Stats personnelles d'icônes #indieweb posées en page d'accueil. 7 visages et 3 logos : http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-343 #icon #avatar (twitter.com/_/status/410075286042996736)
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Loqi [mention] http://snarfed.org/2013-12-09_brid-gy-meet-webmentions linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://snarfed.org/2013-12-09_brid-gy-meet-webmentions linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Implementations (pingback)
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aaronpk snarfed: you got instagram comments too?!
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snarfed yup!
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aaronpk that's freaking awesome!
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aaronpk how do you do original post discovery though? given taht there is no API to post photos to instagram
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snarfed thanks man!
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snarfed same as all the others, look for links, permashortcitations, etc in the caption
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aaronpk right but how do you get the link in the caption in the first place?
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snarfed which is way less common in instagram, so i expect less usage there in the first place, but still
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snarfed oh literally just text URLs
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aaronpk you're typing them in by hand?
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snarfed (which no one does, so i don't expect much :P)
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snarfed well, copy and paste, but still
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aaronpk ah ok
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snarfed i don't use IG much so i only have a couple POSSEd photos myself, but still
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snarfed you're right though
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aaronpk was hoping you had done some magic
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snarfed nah, haven't really tried
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aaronpk well, more magic than is already brid.gy
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snarfed :P
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aaronpk as soon as I fix https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/27 I will sign up again!!
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snarfed great!
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@snarfed_org https://www.brid.gy/ copies comments on social networks back to your web site. Now with webmentions! http://snarfed.org/2013-12-09_brid-gy-meet-webmentions #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/410084626078502912)
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@liveink RT @snarfed_org: https://www.brid.gy/ copies comments on social networks back to your web site. Now with webmentions! http://t.co/F4f28jB… (twitter.com/_/status/410086121050095616)
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tommorris tantek: having a high-res photo for my site is on the to-do list. I'm a bit busy getting ready to move at the moment.
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tantek tommorris - understandable.
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tantek snarfed - you could fake POSSE to Instagram by *not* setting a caption when you post the original with your client, and then having your server grab the photo from IG, copy it locally, create a local permalink, and then ...
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tantek I believe the IG API *does* allow you to comment on a photo - and using that have your server comment on the server with the permashortlink to the original on your site.
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tantek if the first comment is from the author of the photo, IG treats it as the name/title of the photo
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aaronpk tantek: that was my next question
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tantek aaronpk - you may be interested in that too
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tantek :)
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tantek so your server *could* automatically post the first comment on your photos for you
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aaronpk except that precludes me from being able to add a text caption from the app
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tantek or semi-automatically.
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tantek aaronpk - nope. the server can read your first comment (the caption). delete it. then re-add it with a permashortlink.
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aaronpk oh deleting comments is a thing?
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tantek I've done that manually to *fix* the caption of a photo
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tantek many times
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aaronpk ok that is what I will do then
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tantek oh yeah - I delete / re-add comments all the time on IG to fix typos
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aaronpk using the web hooks it'll happen basically instantly
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tantek if you can re-add it before someone else comments, then no one notices the errant comment
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aaronpk but wait I don't see the delete comment button
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tantek just like POSSE CRUD, you can fake an update by doing a quick delete+create
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aaronpk guess I don't need a button since the API has a delete method http://instagram.com/developer/endpoints/comments/
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aaronpk and here's the realtime docs: http://instagram.com/developer/realtime/
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aaronpk so my server will receive a POST request as soon as I upload a photo, post the photo on my site, then go find the first comment (mine), delete it, and re-add with my own permalink for the photo at the end
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tantek bingo
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tantek that's exactly what I was suggesting
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tantek and yes there is a delete button - you have to "swipe left" on the comment (in the comments view)
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aaronpk oh! I always forget about that view
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tantek it reveals a trashcan and also a red report abuse button
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aaronpk documented https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/29
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aaronpk lots to do! https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues?labels=priority%3Aitching Hope I can make some time this week for some stuff!
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+1162) "add how to POSSE section, re-order a bit" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - just as I was typing it into the wiki ;)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/Instagram#POSSE
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tantek aaronpk - I totally understand the use of github issues for you to personally track the things you're working on for P3K, but I do feel like something has been lost by removing the Itching etc. things from the [[p3k]] wiki page
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tantek it was nice to just be able to read over the list, including description in a smooth scroll
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tantek rather than have to click into and out of each thing :/
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tantek similarly to your use of github issue, I've been keeping a prioritized text document of what I'm working for Falcon, and yet I've found it useful to put big things on the Falcon wiki page on indiewebcamp
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tantek also it feels a bit more community involved, like I'm making a commitment to the community when I add it to the indiewebcamp wiki
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tantek for me the benefits of doing that outweigh the (somewhat) duplicated nature of the info (DRY violation)
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tantek (maybe I take longer to implement things that you do so it's less overhead for me to put such to do things on the wiki ;) )
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aaronpk tantek: yeah i have mixed feelings about moving it to github issues too
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aaronpk but the problem was it was taking me longer to add things to the wiki cause there was so muc hstuff to scroll through
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tantek just wanted to express that, not as an discouragement to use github issues, but rather to hopefully keep using the wiki for somethings
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aaronpk also I ended up adding things multiple times in different parts because I didn't see it
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tantek if that's the case then perhaps just move lower priority things to github issues
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aaronpk other way around actually I think
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aaronpk the wiki still makes sense for non-actionable things, like things I'm strying to figure out
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tantek if you think github issues is easy to scroll through things
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aaronpk but as soon as it becomes a concrete task then I move it to github
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aaronpk that's why a lot of the photos/checkin stuff is still on the wiki
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tantek for me, implementing is part of figuring it out
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tantek there is "concrete task"
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tantek is *no
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aaronpk hm, well we'll see how this works out
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aaronpk i just felt increasingly constrained by keeping track of this on the wiki
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tantek or rather, I may *think* there's a concrete approach, but that, like a game plan, never survives contact with actual code / data
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tantek yeah - feeling constrained is not good
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tantek hopefully gh issues works better for you
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bret more on templating and why DSL template engines are bad http://www.cs.usfca.edu/~parrt/papers/mvc.templates.pdf
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bret sorry for pdf
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tantek pdf;dr :P
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bret pdf.js!
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/396394361065582592
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@t pdf;dr - when you avoid clicking a link because it's a PDF.
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bret.io edited /template (+120) "/* HTML based template formats */ Added paper about html based templates" (view diff)
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tantek Bret - why is that in the HTML based templates section?
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bret.io edited /template (+0) "/* HTML based template formats */ Fixed messed up wiki syntax" (view diff)
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tantek seems like it should be the "Other … " section since it is a critique of DSL template engines
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bret Because it mostly discusses doing templates by mapping data to html.
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tantek ironically in a PDF
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bret i almost said that myself
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tantek they couldn't have written it as a blog post?
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bret ikr? maybe there is a blog version
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tantek.com edited /Instagram (+159) "/* POSSE */ add IndieWeb Implementations section with link to aaronpk gh issue for p3k" (view diff)
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bret tantek: do you have any opinions/thoughts on node?
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tantek node seems like a decent longer term approach
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tantek in the short term too much of a hassle to setup to be worth developing a broader solution
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tantek (or frankly even for myself personally)
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tantek which is why I'm coding #cassis.js in the meantime
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tantek it's an immediate / short / medium term solution
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tantek for running JS-like code on the server (masquerading as PHP)
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tantek it also doesn't pretend to solve all problems
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tantek bret - could you provide a short summary maybe even with a little syntax of that PDF in the wiki so we don't have to click it to see the general idea / approach?
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bret sure
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tantek thanks much!
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bret.io edited /template (+2321) "/* HTML based template formats */ Extracted out the argued benafits from the paper" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /template (+273) "/* HTML based template formats */ Expanded out the tools available to node that can be used for DOM template style templates" (view diff)
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bnvk aaronpk: who would you say is the most IndieWeb active person in PDX aside from you & Amber?
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tantek bret - that's a good summary and those points seem to be valid for HTML templates in general
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@WebRTCNL IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites. It's like OpenID, but simpler! https://indieauth.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/410138714858201088)
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barnabywalters taproot homepage just got some mobile styling improvements, inc. pushing elsewhere links up to big clickey icons
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barnabywalters goodnight all
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Loqi gute nacht!
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snarfed night!
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tantek !tell barnabywalters nice home page face icon! Also nice bar of mini-icons for your Elsewhere section. And "Recent Articles" section - lots of great home page improvements.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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bnvk Do any of you know this IW curious dev https://github.com/chuze
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bnvk ?
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