#indiewebcamp 2013-12-07

2013-12-07 UTC
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aaronpk !tell tantek right, not necessarily to display those comments on my site, but I do like to read them (and would like to archive them for myself at least)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk (probably don't need to !tell tantek that since he reads the logs)
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aaronpk one thing I might like to display next to my rel-syndication link to the hackernews version of my article is the number of comments/upvotes it's received there
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@aaronpk My iPhone home screen: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3688/11229700163_e41ca7b2d6_z.jpg Here's how to enable this for your own site! http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/12/06/1/indieweb-icon) (twitter.com/_/status/409123216083271680)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/12/06/1/indieweb-icon linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (webmention)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @aaronpk: My iPhone home screen: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3688/11229700163_e41ca7b2d6_z.jpg Here's how to enable this for your own site! http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/409132472425664512)
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@kevinmarks »@RNFutureTense: What does it mean to have a healthy #digital ecology? We speak to @anildash & @kevinmarks http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/futuretense/a-healthy-digital-ecology/5131856 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/409142321268420608)
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KevinMarks I start talking indieweb about 10:40 into that podacast
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KevinMarks http://huffduffer.com/kevinmarks/138075
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bret Nice KevinMarks!
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bret node has so many web frameworks, but I'm thinking I found the one: http://flatironjs.org/ Lots of great philosophy there, and it does DSL free templating (ie dom templates)
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@benwerd A few thoughts on IndiePhone #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/409191405819396096)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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aaronpk I really need to make it not send multiple mentions to IRC
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kmahan (work in progress)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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bret !tell kmahn, interesting info on Gnu social. Thanks :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret Woops, messed up the name
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aaronpk wow loqi
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Loqi dude
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bret aaronpk: you tightened the wrong screw
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@atmoMedia #socialmedia #smm #tech #news | A few thoughts on IndiePhone #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb | ;-} (twitter.com/_/status/409200361904566272)
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aaronpk bret++
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Loqi bret has 5 karma
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bret I want to know what IndiePhone wants to do different than firefox OS
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aaronpk user experience first
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bret What is first for FFOS?
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bret webapps?
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aaronpk not sure. just quoting what aral says
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@umairquraishi RT @atmoMedia: #socialmedia #smm #tech #news | A few thoughts on IndiePhone #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb | ;-} (twitter.com/_/status/409201457494507520)
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@Johannes_Ernst “@benwerd: A few thoughts on IndiePhone #indieweb http://t.co/iankON2jhg” < Agree. And how many billions is sth competitive going to cost? (twitter.com/_/status/409201626381950976)
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pdurbin dunno if anyone wants to POSSE to Google+ but yesterday Thor Mitchell from Google explained in a comment why a Google+ write API might take a while: https://plus.google.com/+JulianBond23/posts/4mLaNh31JcW
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pdurbin "Developers normally want to build their own share flow either because they want a single share box that posts across multiple networks simultaneously, or because they are very possessive / protective of their pixels, and uncomfortable with UI controlled by a 3rd party being injected into their app."
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 6 hours, 7 minutes ago: right, not necessarily to display those comments on my site, but I do like to read them (and would like to archive them for myself at least)
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@cstanhope RT @benwerd: A few thoughts on IndiePhone #indieweb http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/409215747236171776)
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@xtof_fr #indieweb Pensée #design de @t - #UX de communication mobile plus orientée sur les personnes http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-341 - Prototypeurs bienvenus (twitter.com/_/status/409233346464473088)
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@xtof_fr #Jekyll, retour d'expérience http://lbsrf.fr/jekyll-retour-experience/ /by @Eramdam (motivations #indieweb : défi & nouveautés http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-341) (twitter.com/_/status/409312486286835712)
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@xtof_fr #indiephone feedbacks http://storify.com/aral/indie-phone-launch-reactions Hat tip @aral - @benwerd: Why was it necessary to tm the word "indie" ? http://werd.io/2013/a-few-thoughts-on-indiephone-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/409333523787427840)
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@uxs 2013-341 - xtof: #Jekyll, retour d'expérience /by @Eramdam (motivations #indieweb : défi & nouveautés ) http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-341?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed #ux (twitter.com/_/status/409335037880827904)
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@aral @benwerd (In a nutshell: love the work/am aware of/have presented my vision to the Indie Web folks & hosted an IndieWebCamp here… (twitter.com/_/status/409338675202646016)
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 12/6 at 10:15am: - added to homepage page as you suggested
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tantek whoa aaronpk is not in the channel!
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tantek !tell aaronpk is indienews webmention receiving broken? tried curl with my mobile comms post, got err: 500 Internal Server Error ... Slim Application Error / Undefined index: host / /web/sites/indiewebcamp.com/IndieNews/controllers/webmention.php / Line: 80
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek has anyone been able to post to indienews lately?
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tantek.com edited /IndieNews (+54) "add explicit issues link to direct people to file issues there rather than on the wiki page" (view diff)
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tantek huh, and now Twitter DMs aren't working for me (can't seem to send)
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tantek (via website)
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tantek.com moved /Salmon_Protocol to /Salmon "in the context of indieweb Salmon Protocol is just referred to as Salmon"
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tantek.com edited /backfeed (+262) "a bit more structure, re-order to highlight IndieWeb examples, discussion" (view diff)
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@t #indieweb "backfeed" is reverse syndicating silo replies to POSSE copies. E.g. on @snarfed_org: http://snarfed.org/2013-12-06_new-app-engine-logo#comments (ttk.me t4TS1) (twitter.com/_/status/409373720143462400)
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tantek !tell snarfed I know you asked folks not to tweet about Bridgy yet but I figured showing off your example post was ok :) https://twitter.com/t/status/409373720143462400
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell snarfed for the same reason I held off on tweeting indiewebcamp.com/backfeed - since it directly mentions/links to Bridgy. If people discover it by searching that seems fine (hopefully :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kmahan is there a preferred image hosting service for the indiewebcamp.com wiki page?
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tantek kmahan what's the problem you're trying to solve?
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kmahan` oops nm, I get it
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tantek kylewm - did you get remote subscription working?
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 19 minutes ago: I know you asked folks not to tweet about Bridgy yet but I figured showing off your example post was ok :) https://twitter.com/t/status/409373720143462400
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 17 minutes ago: for the same reason I held off on tweeting indiewebcamp.com/backfeed - since it directly mentions/links to Bridgy. If people discover it by searching that seems fine (hopefully :)
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tantek good morning snarfed :)
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snarfed tantek: sure! totally fine. i'm not really trying to keep it hidden, more just going for "soft launch"
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snarfed morning!~
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@snarfed_org RT @t: #indieweb "backfeed" is reverse syndicating silo replies to POSSE copies. E.g. on @snarfed_org: http://snarfed.org/2013-12-06_new-app-engine-logo#comments (ttk.me t4TS1) (twitter.com/_/status/409379431031926786)
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tantek snarfed - cool. What you've built and deployed on your own site is pretty exciting and demonstrates backfeed really well (the best to date)
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kmahan` sorry for all the edits, done now :)
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tantek shipping code on a live site is always a good way to explain
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tantek show don't tell and all that
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kmahan` nick kylewm
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kmahan` bah
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snarfed thanks man! agreed, i love that self dogfooding part of indieweb
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tantek it's super important, and most of the rest of us haven't had time to explore backfeed as much (or have been distracted with other things)
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tantek so thanks for leading the charge with an awesome example (and service!)
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snarfed that's what's good about a community, we can divide and conquer
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snarfed welcome!
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tantek yeah, seriously. I think that might be our biggest strength.
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snarfed likewise, i'm psyched about people-oriented web icon "apps" and contact methods
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snarfed started adding contact methods to my h-card. invisible for now, but userstyle is next
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tantek everyone is advancing the parts of the indieweb that they themselves are passionate about, and we all benefit.
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tantek oh very cool!
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tantek yeah I got as far as the mockup (which you saw), but it now has me thinking about a more responsive design (e.g. for content readability on mobile) in general
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tantek so I need to some more thinking on it and see how much of my site design I need to or should rethink (or tweak) for a better mobile UX overall (beyond just a contact header)
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tantek I'm hoping the mockups I posted at least give people ideas of what's possible.
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snarfed definitely! i'd like to see a number of different people's to compare
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tantek also I'm sure we'll have debate about per device/OS interfaces for this stuff vs. just simple "for mobile" and maybe for "desktop" more generic looking UIs.
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tantek I'm going to try for the more seamless on iOS experience first, perhaps generalize to FFOS (since mobile device/screen sizes / icon layouts are quite similar there) and go from there.
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KartikPrabhu In a h-feed, should all the h-entries contain full posts or can they have a summary and then 'Read more' link?
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snarfed mind often has read more links
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snarfed er, mine
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tantek KartikPrabhu - that's what p-summary vs. e-content is for
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tantek in h-entry
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snarfed good point. ignore me on any mf2 questions. :P
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tantek so really it's up to you for what experience you want to present to your viewers
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KartikPrabhu tantek: yes, but I don't see how to markup 'read more' links
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KartikPrabhu just u-url?
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tantek that should be fine
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tantek do they do anything special other than link to the permalink?
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KartikPrabhu nope
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tantek if it's a link to the canonical permalink you can also put u-uid on it
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tantek e.g. class="u-url u-uid"
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tantek I think aaronpk uses read more links on his articles
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tantek er index
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KartikPrabhu i see. great thanks! cool will look at aaronpk's site too
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tantek yeah there you go, live example: http://aaronparecki.com/
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tantek (main column)
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tantek I personally prefer providing the full article because I think that's more user-reader-friendly
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tantek but it's a personal design decision - the markup supports either way
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KartikPrabhu it is awkward to have very long posts displayed in full as a list. But the markup does seem to support it! thanks
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tantek or it can be awkward to have to click through and back to read each post.
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tantek but yes - it's a tradeoffs / preferences thing
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 50 minutes ago: is indienews webmention receiving broken? tried curl with my mobile comms post, got err: 500 Internal Server Error ... Slim Application Error / Undefined index: host / /web/sites/indiewebcamp.com/IndieNews/controllers/webmention.php / Line: 80
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