#indiewebcamp 2013-11-03

2013-11-03 UTC
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dougmckown
Any thought on the use of Squarespace as host? Qualify as #indieweb if I have my own domain name?
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bret
dougmckown: not familiar with squarespace, but you can alwaysr compare against http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
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dougmckown
bret, sorry...walked away from laptop and battery died
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dougmckown
I know how to write HTML and CSS to create my own site, but I don't know how to add a blog to it...
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dougmckown
I crated a self-hosted WP blog, but then I lose control of HTML (and I don't know any PHP.
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dougmckown
back later...
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tantek
bret, dougmckown, FYI: http://indiewebcamp.com/squarespace - feel free to add (even questions) to that page
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tantek
bret, general formula for "not familiar with xyz" [service or project] - check for a page with that name on the wiki ;)
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tantek
and if it doesn't exist, create a minimal stub with a one sentence description to the best of your knowledge
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tantek
good evening indiewebcamp
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tantek.com
edited /pump.io (+60) "see also"
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Jeena
evening? It is 7am over here in Sweden ;)
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Jeena
bret, which database did you use for your pump.io instance?
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bret
i'm just using mongo db
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Jeena
I'll try to install it now too
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bret
im having issue getting it to work
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bret
super frustrating
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bret
the DB part worked fine though
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Jeena
I read over there that you're trying it locally on your computer
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Jeena
are you behind a router?
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Jeena
if so then you'd need to forward the port on it so it knows to which computer it has to go
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bret
Jeena yeah this is not trivia at all
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bret
trivial
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bret
aparently if you misconfigure you need to flush your pump DB
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Jeena
yeah it is like with Magento (the eshop thingy) they save the domain/url in the database somewhere
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Jeena
and as long as you don't have any data in it it is easy to just flush the db instead of trying to fix it there
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bret
DB tax
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Jeena
that is a shame, pump.io doesn't work in a subdirecotry, only on root of your domain, so you need to use a subdomain and buy another ssl certificate for it
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aaronpk
good evening! looking forward to the festivities tomorrow!
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tantek
good evening!
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tantek
Jeena - interestingly enough, that same root dir only assumption is built into Falcon (what I'm building)
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tantek
bret DB tax indeed
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aaronpk
I think a lot of software assumes it's installed at the root dir of a domain
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Jeena
perhaps you could work around that in some way? People like me almost always already have some kind of blog or something else running on root
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aaronpk
I think that's the SOA and delegation approach
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Jeena
aaronpk, I understand that this makes the development a bit easier but it is not that complicated to add some string before all urls you produce
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aaronpk
webmention and indieauth have that built in, because you add a tag on your home page to point to the appropriate enndpoints to use, they don't make any assumptions about your webmention or indieauth server
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aaronpk
Jeena: i'm not sure what you're asking me to do... i've got nothing to do with the development of pump.io or anything similar
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tantek
right, none of the protocols we use assume root dir
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Jeena
that is actually the best approach, Tent does that now too, so every Tent server can have different endpoints
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tantek
but individual CMSs obv have their own assumptions
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Jeena
not you, I asked tantek with his Falcon ;)
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tantek
Jeena - as with many projects, directory independence is not a priority ;)
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tantek
certainly compared to other things
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Jeena
yeah ...
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tantek
and I'm not even sure it makes sense for the way Falcon is architected - which is that it asserts a policy about specifically designed URLs, short URLs etc.
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Jeena
It is just so much easier to implement if you do it right from the beginning
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tantek
the "already have some kind of blog" doesn't make sense - because it's supposed to be your blog too
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aaronpk
you'll find this community is very selective about the things we choose to agree on, many of us have strongly differing opinions on various things but are still able to make things work between all our domains/software
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Jeena
yeah, but people also have landing pages, etc.
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tantek
so if you already have some kind of blog, the expectation is that you export it and then import into Falcon (or whatever)
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tantek
landing pages are pretty dead Jeena
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tantek
even one of the longtime holdouts, adactio, gave up in the past year
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tantek
and switched his home page directly having recent posts
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Jeena
or me and my brother want to use the same domain (our last name) and use two directories for our first names, there are tons of reasons I can think of ;)
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Jeena
but yeah the most important is that I already have something else in my root, on http://jeenaparadies.net for example I have links and short summaries to different parts of the website
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Jeena
I use ownCloud, firefox sync, tent and my blog on the same domain
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Jeena
ah and TinyTinyRSS too
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Jeena
mostly because I want to run all of them via the one ssl cert I got
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aaronpk
ah yeah the SSL problem
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aaronpk
I finally broke down and got a wildcard cert for *.pin13.net so I can use it for all my random stuff. It was only like $80/year so it wasn't too bad.
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Jeena
yeah that is kind of the only reasonable thing to do if you want to test differnt stuff like pump.io and now obviously Falcon ;)
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Jeena
"Do not use web applications that should be desktop applications." wah! I actually wrote a SoundCloud client just for me because of this :D
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Jeena
every time I got a call while listening on the website I couldn't find the right virtual desktop, the right window, the right tab and the pause button on the website
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aaronpk
lol yeah
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Jeena
(and it didn't scrobble to lastfm)
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aaronpk
I still dream of having a complete digital archive of everything I've ever done and produced online in an easily searchable and browsable form
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aaronpk
(speaking of lastfm)
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aaronpk
including chat logs, text messages and phone call logs
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Jeena
hm I wonder if you can get the data out of lastfm
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Jeena
hehe yeah
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aaronpk
oh you totally can
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aaronpk
i've been PESOS'ing from last.fm to my own DB for years
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Jeena
ah nice
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aaronpk
actually technically it's not PESOS because I don't publish it, just archive it
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Jeena
jesus, that is actually quite a lot you can do with their API http://www.last.fm/api
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tantek
aaronpk - your last.fm account is a "publishing" of sorts - even if it is only private to your friends
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tantek
yes - their API is quite amazing
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aaronpk
tantek: oh I meant that I'm pulling from last.fm but only archiving it in my own DB, not re-publishing on my own site, so it doesn't fulfill the "SOS" part of PESOS
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aaronpk
yes, really good API. I'll be sad when it goes away.
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tantek
ah ok - that piece
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Jeena
I subscribed to their Event RSS feed for my city which is really cool because I haven't found any other RSS feed with the information of who is playing in the (not so distant) future here so I can buy tickets, etc.
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Jeena
the cool thing is that they even have a good way to generate money with their "Buy this Album/Song" links.
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tantek
Jeena - yeah, affiliate links are one of the less annoying online ad-like models.
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aaronpk
good night! see you in the morning!
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Loqi
sleep tight!
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Jeena
night aaronpk
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@kjmobb
@kazarnowicz @TWkLGBTQ i think it's less about regulating FB, more about making it irrelevant via something like the #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/396940215396216832)
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@philip_roberts
@janl I'm mostly just looking for somewhere safe and portable to store stuff for indieweb/data type projects.
(twitter.com/_/status/397040536269627392)
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Loqi
[@benwerd] Full-on sick. Best wishes to everyone at #indiewebcamp LA today
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Loqi
driving down would not be smart. (http://twtr.io/ePu4P93jML)
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pdurbin
Jeena and bret: "happy to help [set up pump]" -- https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/397054233897623552
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@evanpro
@philipdurbin I'm happy to help!
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Jeena
hehe damn sometimes one forgets that you guys log and publish the logs to the web ;)
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aaronpk
Jeena: heh. it's in the channel topic!
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Jeena
yeah, I never read the topics!
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rknLA
i'm running a bit late, but heading over to farmhouse around nowish. see some of you in a little while!
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tantek
Also running late. Driving over. ETA 10:45ish.
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tantek
Parked in the driveway - is that cool shaners?
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@AmirAmazig
Checking an old tweet, with a link to an interview of TBL, the urlshorter recycled the link :( #OwnYourData
(twitter.com/_/status/397078159444561920)
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bret
Would love to remote in today
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bret
anyone willing to set up a google hangout?
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Loqi
barnabywalters: bret left you a message on 11/2 at 2:09pm: awesome indie pipes!
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barnabywalters
Thanks bret
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bret
barnabywalters: you going to be around today remoting in?
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barnabywalters
I’m pretty tired but if there’s a hangout I’ll sit in for a bit
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bret
brb for a bit
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bret
ok here
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@kevinmarks
@dangillmor yes indeed. One reason I think #indieweb is so important.
(twitter.com/_/status/397091922759520256)
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@aaronpk
@AmirAmazig that's annoying! Got a link to the tweet that happened with? #ownyourdata (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/11/03/1/ownyourdata)
(twitter.com/_/status/397096171820154880)
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bret
grrr, gmail no longer allows new iphones to use exchange
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bret
even if the accounts was using it already
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bret
aaronpk, is there a google hangout?
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aaronpk
OH: Who is this guy and what has he shipped?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: that’s what we want to hear!
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barnabywalters
how’s it going so far?
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aaronpk
getting a super late start
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aaronpk
still cleaning up from last night, and a bunch of us went out to breakfast
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bret
whats happening? any eitherpads?
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bret
Jeena, any luck with pump?
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bret
i had to go to bed last night
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Jeena
hehe yeah I had too, I gave up because I didn't have a second ssl certificate, I need to get one first
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bret
Jeena you dont NEED one to get up and running
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bret
but yeah eventually
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Jeena
and it is a bit uncool that I need to run it on a subdomain
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aaronpk
you can always self-sign to test
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Jeena
yeah but that is always very problematic
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Jeena
yeah the cert I already have is a gratis one from StartSSL
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Jeena
I'm not sure when I get to it and if it is important enough for me to get it working yet.
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Hollywood (+359) "draft stub schedule"
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barnabywalters
indie pipes now has graph refreshing and in-context debugging: http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/
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barnabywalters
try dropping some modules in, filling in some values, running the graph and clicking each module to see what it’s output is
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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snarfed
barnabywalters: so fun!
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snarfed
glad someone's picking up the yahoo pipes torch
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snarfed
looks like no way to delete blocks yet?
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barnabywalters
snarfed: nope, not yet
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barnabywalters
snarfed: were you a Y! pipes user?
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snarfed
lightly
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tantek
greetings from IndieWebCamp Hollywood
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snarfed
i also liked the other Y!OS stuff they did a while back. similar building blocks for code, as opposed to visual UI
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barnabywalters
greetings tantek
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barnabywalters
snarfed: ooh, hadn’t heard of that — looking up
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snarfed
afaik it was largely sam pullara's baby, and languished now that he's gone (i think)
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barnabywalters
snarfed: did you make your site’s header image?
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snarfed
nah, it's an earthsat picture of iraq
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snarfed
no politics intended, just pretty
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snarfed
the whole earthsat collection is great
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barnabywalters
yeah, lovely colours — very metallic
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barnabywalters
I’m pretty sure pipes only still exists because it uses the same infrastructure as YQL and that happens to still exist
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aaronpk
probably they forgot which server it's on and it's just sitting there running
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barnabywalters
aaronpk — lol
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barnabywalters
I made a bunch of screenshots/casts and downloaded the docs, just in case
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aaronpk
they don't know how to turn it off and it's easier to not deal with it
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: that's awesome! very glad to hear
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barnabywalters
also downloaded the YQL blog, for history
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: any ideas on what’s the best place/way to publish it?
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barnabywalters
“it” being a folder of images, HTML, video
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aaronpk
assuming there's no copyright issues, why not on your site?
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barnabywalters
oh yeah, that ;)
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@AmirAmazig
@aaronpk Anyway, I'm joining http://indiewebcamp.com/ asap, I'll forward to @indiewebcamp when I've explained why, happy @IndieWebCampUK!
(twitter.com/_/status/397131066336477184)
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@aaronpk
@AmirAmazig Cool, and welcome! Your tweet popped up in our IRC channel from the ownyourdata hashtag! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/11/03/3/)
(twitter.com/_/status/397131310176538624)
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tantek
aaronpk, barnabywalters - I believe we previously solved this problem: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieArchive
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aaronpk
no I think barnabywalters is talking about screen recordings he made?
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barnabywalters
tantek: that certainly covers the things with URLs — I’ll just dump the screenshots/casts on an index page with links to the other things
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tantek
oh I thought you said you "downloaded the YQL blog, for history"
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tantek
that seems exactly what IndieArchive is for
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bret
Jeena, i started a pump.io section in the eitherpad for today and tomorrow
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barnabywalters
as far as URLs go, how does waterpigs.co.uk/archive/DDD/SSS/domain.com/path/file.hmtl look?
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Jeena
bret, will be happy to read it
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tantek
aaronpk, amiramazig - it's the news site's fault - they broke their permalinks (maybe in a CMS update) old (broken) link (from jmp) http://www.thedrum.com/news/2011/05/24/21804-sir-tim-berners-lee-claims-twitter-is-for-extreme-opinions and new link (found by googling the slug) http://www.thedrum.com/news/2011/05/24/sir-tim-berners-lee-claims-twitter-ldquoextremerdquo-opinions
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tantek
note the new link has (errantly?) included the HTML entity names for the ldquo and rduqo in the slug. I say errantly because I think it hurts the slug readability and indexability.
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barnabywalters
what’s the indiearchive take on rewriting links to still be navigable in-archive?
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barnabywalters
is archive accuracy or navigation higher priority?
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: good question
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barnabywalters
also, there’s the issue of ?s in URLs
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barnabywalters
apache only loads the correct file if the ? is URL encoded
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barnabywalters
bret: looking
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barnabywalters
ah, yes — indiewebify.me is not running the latest version, try http://indiewebify.waterpigs.co.uk/validate-rel-me/?url=bret.io
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barnabywalters
need to get bnvk to update
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barnabywalters
!tell bnvk can you update indiewebify.me to the latest revision? I made a bunch of fixes, should all work in PHP 5.3, might need a composer update
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret
barnabywalters: ty
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tantek.com
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bret
barnabywalters: so if an h-entry lacks an author, your search algorithm will follow rel=author?
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barnabywalters
bret: not the implementation in mf-cleaner, that’s purely functional and doesn’t make any HTTP requests
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barnabywalters
it’s actually pretty broken, it needs splitting up into functions and putting in a separate authorship package
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bret
hrmm ok
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barnabywalters
did you need to use it for something?
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bret
I'm working on PR for pump.io
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bret
to add microformats
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barnabywalters
pump.io is node, no?
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bret
but his HTML structure mixes profile with h-entry a little to much to fit a full h-card in without re-arranging things a bit
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bret
barnabywalters: ye
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barnabywalters
bret: oh that’s a pity — all the info is there, it’s a shame to have to make another request :/
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barnabywalters
but just use rel-author, the implementations with catch up with the spec/what is actually implemented
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bret
still have not decided yet what to do
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XgF
bret: Have you lent any thought to webmention interop or similar? For a while I've thought about implementing a webmention endpoint, but I barely have enough time to keep my client up to date...
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bret
yeah I would love to work on that eventually
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bret
for now I am just working on getting the templates marked up correctly
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bret
XgF Re your question ^^
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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bret
im going shopping now brb later
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Loqi
tantek: aaronpk left you a message 4 minutes ago: https://github.com/owncloud/calendar/issues/192
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barnabywalters
bret: looks good to me!
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bret
im going to try and finish this up tonight, but barnabywalters aaronpk and benwerd better help tempt evan into doing more indieweb stuff by using some pump.io posts as reply contexts :)
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aaronpk
good idea
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aaronpk
uh, does pump.io have JS that overrides command-click on links to open in a new window?
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aaronpk
super anoying
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XgF
aaronpk: Where are you experiencing that?
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aaronpk
I don't know why it changes my cursor to a ? when I hover over the date
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Loqi
bnvk: barnabywalters left you a message 33 minutes ago: can you update indiewebify.me to the latest revision? I made a bunch of fixes, should all work in PHP 5.3, might need a composer update
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aaronpk
and then command-click should open it in a new tab but doesn't
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: yeah, looks like it
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XgF
aaronpk: Thats weird
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XgF
works for me (Latest Firefox
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XgF
Windows)
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aaronpk
i'm on chrome
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barnabywalters
cmd+clicks not opening new tabs in FF nightly, os x
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XgF
aaronpk: Weird, middle click works
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XgF
ctrl+click doesn't
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tantek.com
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