#indiewebcamp 2013-08-20

2013-08-20 UTC
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erlehmann
hlllo indieweb
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erlehmann
aaronpk, tantek, i worked on my uncomplicated web test case
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erlehmann
and this is what it outputs for google http://mister-muffin.de/p/ZChm.txt
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Loqi
[@npdoty] @anildash I hear confusion over "app" which implies self-containment
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Loqi
#indieweb software (like the Web itself) works best by interoperating. (http://twtr.io/bfZz7c9UEw)
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erlehmann
anil “i use facebook comments to show i am not an extremist” dash
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erlehmann
:3c
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tantek
aaronpk - I've written a blog post summary of all the Twitter Related headlines questions I asked above (and a few more)
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npdoty
anil's response to me: "@npdoty that I understand, but I'm interested in the domain of apps here."
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erlehmann
tantek, apart ffrom the fact that it looks like unit tests (because it is), does a simple yes/no suffice for such tests?
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@anildash
@npdoty that I understand, but I'm interested in the domain of apps here.
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tantek
erlehmann - yes, it's good to start with a simple yes/no for any kind of validator/test service
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tantek
and a simple form where you can put in a URL and it tells you what the results are
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erlehmann
transfer size is going through the roof
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erlehmann
tantek, currently i only have this script. but i'll make it a web service
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erlehmann
as soon as i am done with the tests.
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tantek
why wait to be "done" ? why not start with a few and iterate?
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erlehmann
i wonder what anil dash means with ”žinferiour“ clone
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tantek
it's ok to be incomplete, to be imperfect :)
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erlehmann
because i wrote this in the last two hours. and i want to go to sleep
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erlehmann
and i already have a list of criteria to test.
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cldstr
Hi everybody, taking the liberty to invite everybody to our next Personal Clouds gathering on Thursday in SF. http://personalclouds-ec2.eventbrite.com/ Continuing the discussion from IndieWebCamp on an "indie box".
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erlehmann
also, a friend of mine wants to adopt the uncomplicated web design criteria for her web development process.
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erlehmann
so having a command line validator that has more tests is more useful than having a web version that has less tests.
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erlehmann
http://indieweb.com fails some tests
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erlehmann
funny
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erlehmann
who of you runs that site?
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erlehmann
here is the output http://mister-muffin.de/p/PhiA.txt
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tantek
no idea about indieweb.com
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erlehmann
FAIL: test_transfer_size (__main__.LoadingTestCase)
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erlehmann
AssertionError: 100418 not less than or equal to 20000
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erlehmann
trololol
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aaronpk
indieweb.com is a parked godaddy page...
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erlehmann
let me find what makes this website so bloaty
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erlehmann
err
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erlehmann
i meant http://indiewebcamp.com
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erlehmann
sorry
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aaronpk
oh yea, it's a bit of a beast (mediawiki)
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erlehmann
more like, jquery
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erlehmann
in my circle of friends there is a line of jokes starting with ”žjust use jquery“, ”žjust use wordpress“, ”žjust use bootstrap“, ”žjust use mediawiki“
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erlehmann
:3c
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erlehmann
disclaimer: i wrote php code for monies, so i am allowed to make those jokes!
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erlehmann
regarding anil dash, i found that my hipster news microblog is way superiour to twitter. for example, i do not get spam followers (since i don't care about who reads the feed) and can post more than 140 characters
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erlehmann
i have used twitter and more than 50% of the people i know could built a better web page
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erlehmann
i suspect the mobile apps do it for the service
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erlehmann
they must be good (i have not tested)
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erlehmann
with instagram i saw that. the website is abysmal, but everyone apparently uses the app.
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erlehmann
(i don't)
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erlehmann
aaronpk, do you know why http://indiewebcamp.com fails the user agent sniffing test?
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erlehmann
> @anildash MediaWiki, WordPress, EtherPad, OpenStreetMap, LiveJournal, Mister Muffin Pastebin, Hipster News.
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erlehmann
hehe
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rknLA
cldstr: that looks cool.
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rknLA
i'm a bit confused by the "RSVP + contribution for food" though..
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cldstr
rknLA: it's a community event, and we like to have some drinks and food, so we are asking for donations (but they are entirely voluntary)
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rknLA
interesting. seems like a strange approach without context in the description.
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rknLA
like, i don't mind contributing, but i have no idea how much to contribute,
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@veganstraightedge
@anildash If you simply add rel-me to your links to silo profiles and h-entry to your posts, you'll be #indieweb-ing too.
(twitter.com/_/status/369619808041463808)
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@SimonDJacobs
@anildash if you need to run your own instance of #indieweb apps, do they count as "consumer" apps?
(twitter.com/_/status/369620786023112705)
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davystevenson.com
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tantek
shaners, well done with the incremental encouragement of anildash as well.
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tantek
shaners - also, Jay Allen, who you met at YxYY in the pool, is also one of the original awesome MT hackers.
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shaners
right. i remember that. what's his @handle?
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tantek
he's @jayallen and more importantly jayallen.org
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rkn.la
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shaners
rknLA: how about your grab your twitter avatar photo, resize it 128px and throw it in your h-card on your site. then use it on the 2013/Hollywood page. ;)
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rknLA
i'm not supremely confident in that photo.
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shaners
then use something that you like better
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rknLA
therein lies the problem. i need a new headshot.
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rknLA
might use my old headshot
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shaners
Something > nothing
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iamshane.com
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iamshane.com
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rknLA
am i gonna be chastised for using a gravatar url for an avatar photo ;)
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shaners
rknLA: i don't care. but it's prolly easy enough for you to toss it up on your site too, right?
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rkn.la
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rknLA
yeah, just not right now
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shaners
totes grool. small moves, ellie.
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shaners
rknLA: what's your work email? i wanna send you a thing.
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rknLA
rkn@rd.io
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shaners
short!
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rknLA
yeah, very proud of that :)
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@zakkain
Great to see local groups putting up well-made sites w/ modern web tech: http://hillcitysc.org #movethewebforward #indieweb (via @ARStager)
(twitter.com/_/status/369635005032448000)
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benwerd
off to find food and head to the meetup @ Local Edition a little later
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@veganstraightedge
@anildash rel-me and h-card is the foundation of #indieweb interop. They enable auth and replys/comments, respectively.
(twitter.com/_/status/369640853741895680)
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tantek
shaners - the "largely theoretical" comment belies a certain cluelessness about how much microformats have been "obviously" consumed for quite some time, e.g. *four* years of Google consuming them for search results.
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shaners
yep. i'm getting there.
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shaners
this isn't a cross examination. it's a friendly conversation.
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tantek
I can't tell if Anil is being deliberately obtuse with such statements or trolling or … ?
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shaners
i think he just doesn't know me and is keeping his guard up
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tantek
yes, perhaps you'll have better luck than me :)
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tantek
go forth, set a good example :)
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shaners
sometimes it just takes hearing it from a different person. you and he have all this history. so things get messy.
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shaners
i'm just some dude
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tantek
and you're building Homesteading :)
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shaners
sure. that too.
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bret
shaners, good news! girlfriend is down to go to LA in november
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shaners
did you mention that there will be avocados?
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shaners
because there will be avocados. :D
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bret
no! but i will
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rknLA
aright, i'm off to food then Local Edition.
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bret
so, hopefully she has her job situation settled out before that, and I can work out my shit, we can make it
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rknLA
see y'all there!
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bret
have fun!
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rknLA
or, well, some of y'all
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shaners
later rknLA
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bret
someone be sure to itemise the ideas you guys talk about tonight
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bret
part of me wonders if anil dash is too far away from development to really know what hes talking about (IRT: https://twitter.com/anildash/status/369598953496793088)
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@anildash
Is there a single Indieweb (how ever you define that) app that you use/used which isn't merely an inferior clone of a closed app?
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bret
does he actually make anything anymore?
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shaners
bret: i don't know. but it's never too late to make stuff / make stuff again.
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shaners
but ultimately, who cares. we just keep plugging along building our things and welcoming new people who come along. some people will join in. some won't.
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josephg
how do I find the indieweb people at the local edition?
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rknLA
josephg: same question. I just got here
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rknLA
And as I type that, I have found us.
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josephg
isn't down there yet
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josephg
where abouts should I look?
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tantek.com
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tantek
josephg - look for the glowing screens
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tantek
at the red couches
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kevinmarks
Local edition meet up going well
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benwerd
Never in my wildest dreams as a teenager did I think I'd connect to IRC on my phone.
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benwerd
living the dream
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josephg
heads over
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tantek.com
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melvster
oh it's w3c geek week next week i think
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melvster
"The idea is to have a week where we improve our skills, collaborate with each other on prototypes and fun projects that help W3C, and to come up for air from our everyday duties"
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@dipolesource
RT @veganstraightedge: Want to help build the #indieweb? Join us @indiewebcamp : Hollywood 2013 at The @Farmhouse on 2013-11-03. http://t.…
(twitter.com/_/status/369685643674124288)
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josephg
Well, that was fun
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shaners
josephg: did anything cool come of the drink up? or was it just drink up?
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josephg
we talked about ways to reply with linkback stuff
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josephg
and some security/crypto stuff
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@phaleon2
RT @nitot: Feat @t : RT @comzeradd: Meet the Hackers Who Want to Jailbreak the Internet http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/indie-web #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/369711553429270528)
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tantek.com
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tantek
josephg - see and please add more topics of our conversations tonight to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-08-19-sf-drinkup
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tantek
and with that, it was wonderful seeing everyone out tonight. great conversations, and see you soon! everyone that attended - please yourself and any topics of conversations: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-08-19-sf-drinkup
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tantek
good night
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Loqi
don't let the bed bugs bite
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tpinto
Hi guys. I can't seem to get IndieAuth working with my domain, www.tiagopinto.pt
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tpinto
I checked out the code from github to try it on irb
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tpinto
and I get this
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tpinto
<<<<<<< FETCHING tiagopinto.pt >>>>>>>
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tpinto
absolute URL needed (not tiagopinto.pt)
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tpinto
is this because www.tiagopinto.pt is a CNAME to an S3 bucket?
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tpinto
thanks in advance
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tommorris
aaronpk: tpinto has an indieauth question
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tommorris
tpinto: aaronpk is the person to talk to about indieauth issues. ;)
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href
tpinto: try using http://www.tiagopinto.pt ? (absolute url is with the protocol if I recall)
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tpinto
I should have guessed that because the github's repo I cloned is his but I thought someone else could know the answer ;)
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Loqi
agreed.
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tpinto
href, i get the same output either with or without the protocol
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tpinto
well, actually
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tpinto
my bad
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tpinto
not the same output
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tpinto
but it gives me an empty array
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tpinto
and I have a couple rel="me" links there, not sure if it is some dumb error on my markup or something else
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tpinto
at least on https://indieauth.com/ doesn't work with either option and on the console it complains about the content encoding being utf-8?
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tpinto
probably some misconfiguration on my end?
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tpinto
ok, got it
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tpinto
misconfigurated http headers on my s3 bucket that serves the static files
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tpinto
sorry for bothering you guys with this
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tommorris
no problem, tpinto
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tommorris
glad to hear you've got it sorted
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tpinto
btw, I just came across the movement a few weeks ago
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tpinto
and discovered that an itch and some thoughts I've been having for some months have been your battle for some time now
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tpinto
was thiking about joining you in Brighton in september
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tpinto
but I'm not sure if I have something useful to add to the conversation. are participants required to bring work or presentations to IndieWebCamp?
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barnabywalters
tpinto: nope! if you have a personal domain, you’re welcome :)
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tpinto
well, at least I have no code to show and no extensive work like the one I've been discovering from a lot of you
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barnabywalters
it’d be great to see you in Brighton
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barnabywalters
maybe add yourself to the RSVP list? http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK
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tommorris
tpinto: you may be inspired to jump in and do that stuff. I was when I attended last year.
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tpinto
ok cool. we should meet there then, I'm keen to join the debate :)
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tommorris
(even though I've been kind of busy since then and haven't been able to do as much as I'd like.)
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tpinto
sure, I was just sorting out this problem with my domain and IndieAuth in order to add me to the RSVP
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tpinto
thanks guys!
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@poulpita
[social business] summer W3C Workshop on Social Standards, some notes from @indiewebcamp are available : http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/osfw3c #osfw3c
(twitter.com/_/status/369771932431810560)
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@knitatoms
I'm attending IndieWebCampUK, 7th-8th September 2013 in Brighton http://lanyrd.com/2013/indiewebcampuk/
(twitter.com/_/status/369773374379028480)
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waterpigs.co.uk
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knitatoms.net
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Jihaisse
barnabywalters: I'm trying to configure the webaction tool belt with firefox
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Jihaisse
when I click on the "preference" button
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Jihaisse
it goes to : chrome://webnactions_kango/content/options.html
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Jihaisse
and says that there is no file there
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barnabywalters
hm, weird — what version of ff are you using?
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Jihaisse
something like that
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Jihaisse
maybe I missed something before loading the .xpi file
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barnabywalters
I think I have that version somewhere, I’ll give it a go
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Jihaisse
barnabywalters: ok, thanks
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barnabywalters
wow, my non-nightly install is back at version 17! give me a minute to upgrade
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barnabywalters
Jihaisse: okay, confirmed that that’s an issue. if you press the toolbar button it should take you to the right page
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barnabywalters
which for me is chrome://webnactions_kango/content/options/index.html
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barnabywalters
I should be able to fix it so that the preferences link works too
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Loqi
I agree
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barnabywalters
!tell tantek ever come across neo4j.org? graph database with semantic HTML-based interactive REST interface.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tommorris
barnabywalters: I have. It's very useful for certain types of analysis
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Jihaisse
barnabywalters: ok, great
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barnabywalters
tommorris: I’m playing around with it, wanting to try using it for my degrees-of-separation spam prevention code
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tommorris
I've looked at using it at work for doing visitor path analysis.
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barnabywalters
I was blown away when I found the HTML interface. clearly the devs “get it”
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tommorris
Indeed. It's almost as if one of the benefits of a REST interface is that it is *just* an HTTP interface, and HTML+JS is well suited to building a client for an HTTP interface. ;)
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tommorris
But, I know, herp derp, needs more complexity.
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barnabywalters
it’s a pity there’s no editing UI in the bare-bones representation
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barnabywalters
it’s also the easiest database I’ve ever set up
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barnabywalters
I don’t think there *was* any setup
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Jihaisse
barnabywalters: ok, your link works
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Jihaisse
but I don't know how to configure it
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Jihaisse
(I use wordpress)
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barnabywalters
Jihaisse: okay. do you know if you can pre-fill content into the wordpress “new content” UI via query string params?
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pfefferle
you can use the bookmarklet
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barnabywalters
okay I’ll have a look at the bookmarklet for params
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barnabywalters
ah, perfect, they explain how to use it here: http://codex.wordpress.org/Press_This
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barnabywalters
so, Jihaisse, say you want to be able to handle “post” web actions
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barnabywalters
you would use your-domain.com/wp-admin/press-this.php?u={url}
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barnabywalters
then the {url} gets expanded at click-time to the URL of the page
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barnabywalters
the actions in Twitter.com allow you to replace buttons on twitter.com with your own
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pfefferle
if you install the oexchange plugin, the press-this ui also supports the more descriptive oexchange params like "url" and "title"
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barnabywalters
the ones in Social Buttons allow you to do the same for tweet, like and +1 buttons across the web
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barnabywalters
web action verbs allows you to define handlers for <action> markup
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barnabywalters
and selection allows you to take actions on selected text, as {text} or {html}
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barnabywalters
and multiple handling services can be assigned to any verb
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barnabywalters
e.g. for selection handling I have Reply, Quote and Bookmark services
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barnabywalters
each of which launches a new note form auto-filled in a slightly different way
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pfefferle
barnabywalters btw. thanks for pointing me on that, this might be a way to fix the reply problem with the wordpress ui...
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pfefferle
trying to extend the bookmarklet form
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: oooh yes that would be cool
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pfefferle
adding a reply-to field and auto generate the html for the output
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waterpigs.co.uk
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pfefferle
didn't even know that this page does exist ;)
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Jihaisse
thanks barnabywalters and pfefferle
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pfefferle
your welcome :)
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Jihaisse
I will try this later
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Jihaisse
I have some work to do :(
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hidgw
Think I've confirmed that I did not, in fact, sign in to IndieWebCamp.com using OpenID. I guess aaronpk doesn't have to do a manual merge for me. :)
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cyberjar09
hello world
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cyberjar09
first timer here. great to be here
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barnabywalters
greetings cyberjar09!
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cyberjar09
greetings
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cyberjar09
im going through the "getting started" guide on the site
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barnabywalters
oh great — feel free to ask any questions here
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barnabywalters
we’re always looking to improve the getting started material
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cyberjar09
Any Domain providers to recommend?
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cyberjar09
Ive read a little about dyndns. Can I use that?
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barnabywalters
I use namecheap, I haven’t had any problems with them
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barnabywalters
by dyndns do you mean Dyn the company, or do you want to host your site on your own machine?
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cyberjar09
on my own machine
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barnabywalters
cyberjar09: maybe check out https://pagekite.net/ if you want to go down that route
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cyberjar09
ok I will check back with more questions if I have any
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cyberjar09
Thanks @barnabywalters
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vrypan
cyberjar09, barnabywalters about "dyndns", I use amazon route53 to host my domain and update a subdomain record with my home IP. http://blog.vrypan.net/2012/12/20/dynamic-dns-with-route53/
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vrypan
s/host my domain/"for my DNS server/
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Loqi
vrypan meant to say: cyberjar09, barnabywalters about "dyndns", I use amazon route53 to "for my DNS server and update a subdomain record with my home IP. http://blog.vrypan.net/2012/12/20/dynamic-dns-with-route53/
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cweiske
cool idea with the txt record
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@getpublify
@jbbarth if you write a status which doesn’t fit in a tweet, you get a clickable link as « read more ». http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter
(twitter.com/_/status/369834763764645888)
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Jihaisse
barnabywalters: I've tested webactions
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barnabywalters
Jihaisse: cool. thoughts?
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Jihaisse
for twitter : reply, ok I have the button, but for RT and favorite, no buttons
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Jihaisse
for facebook : like : no buttons
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Jihaisse
I don't have investigated
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barnabywalters
I’m having a look now
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barnabywalters
hm, looks like twitter might have changed their markup
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mapkyca
evening, morning all :) quick question, is there some guidance/best practice anywhere for how to render webmentions/pingbacks - mf2 classes, etc etc?
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mapkyca
ack, never mind... found the page :)
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waterpigs.co.uk
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mapkyca
cheers :) ... having a slow brain day... :/ (and I was just wondering why it was h-entry and not h-cite) ;)
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barnabywalters
mapkyca: :) same applies for p-in-reply-to
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barnabywalters
!tell Jihaisse I updated web action toolbelt to work with new twitter.com markup, haven’t looked at like buttons yet. thanks for the heads-up!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 3 hours, 47 minutes ago: ever come across neo4j.org? graph database with semantic HTML-based interactive REST interface.
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neuro`
Good *.* tantek
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tantek
good morning neuro` :)
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tantek
barnabywalters - sounds complicated :)
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barnabywalters
tantek: it’s actually the easiest database I’ve ever set up
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barnabywalters
because there wasn’t really any
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barnabywalters
the REST interface can be accessed as JSON, but if you look at it in a browser it’s all semantic HTML and forms
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tantek
how is the data actually stored though?
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tantek
that's one of the problems with the database anti-pattern
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barnabywalters
tantek: yeah, the big-magic-file problem is the one thing keeping me from using DBs to store my content
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tantek
it's perhaps the biggest problem with using DBs for anything persistent
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tantek
because you can't trust it
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tantek
however that's ok if you're only using it as a cache for performance reasons
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tommorris
problem with that logic is it is what Daniel Dennett called a universal acid
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tantek
and keep your "real storage" in proper easily readable/maintainable flat files
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tommorris
if you can't trust the database, you can't trust the filesystem
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tommorris
whatever you create in place of the database is itself a database. ;)
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tantek
tommorris - false. databases have proprietary poorly maintained file formats.
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barnabywalters
yeah, the two things I’m considering trying to use it for are foundation for a personal indieweb structured search engine and degrees-of-separation based spam filtering
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tantek
that's where that logic fails
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tantek
whereas (presumably) your flat files use standard open human readable/writeable formats like HTML
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tommorris
but they also have tooling that allows backup and distribution
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tantek
hah! "allows backup" = you mean a *separate* back up task from the backup you're already doing of your files.
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tantek
= database tax
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tommorris
what databases lack is simple, zero-configuration backup process, sort of like Time Machine on the Mac
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tantek
"allows … distribution" = irrelevant for the indieweb use-case
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aaronpk
streaming replication of a filesystem would be pretty cool
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tantek
sounds like I need to add these to the anti-pattern page
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tantek
because they sounds like quick quips that db-apologists may promote
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tantek
aaronpk - indeed - that's the right level to do it
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tommorris
of course, I think most shared web hosts also lack simple, zero-configuration backup processes.
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tantek
tommorris - its called scp/rcp
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aaronpk
rsync goes a long way though
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tantek
or rsync - exactly
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aaronpk
i've been running an rsync backup of all my shared hosting environments for like 8 years now
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tantek
aaronpk - brilliant
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tommorris
if you can rsync files, you can rsync the result of mysqldump
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tantek
tommorris - so why add the extra step of remembering to or setting a process to do mysqldumps?
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tommorris
because databases are quite useful. ;)
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tantek
which is nothing but a db tax
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tantek
not worth the incremental maintenance cost
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tantek
certainly not for individuals
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wardn
databases provide indexing... what you're really looking for is a good indexer
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aaronpk
i would rather not back up my database because i could always re-create it from the data in the filesystem at will
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tantek
wardn - sure, indexing is a nice feature … for a *cache* of your data. not the persistent store.
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wardn
with a good indexer over file storage you could rsync your *data* and still have quick access to it
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tantek
so sure, if you have performance issues (measure it), and a database would help improve those issues (test it), then setup a db as a cache in front of your persistent store.
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wardn
and it'd still be archeology-friendly
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tantek
btw - for those following along re: Twitter's "Related headlines" feature - the answers are coming and they're quite indie-unfriendly.
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tommorris
gives us money and we'll link your shit
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aaronpk
"Thank you for your interest in Twitter Headlines."
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aaronpk
i don't see a form
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barnabywalters
“you must login to see this form”
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barnabywalters
I’m pretty meh about most stuff twitter do now
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aaronpk
whatever
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wardn
or maybe they already knew who you were...
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wardn
hi btw... I'm new here
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tantek
welcome wardn!
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barnabywalters
greetings wardn!
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barnabywalters
do you have a personal url?
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wardn
registered one for this purpose... edwardsheffler.com
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wardn
working on the content
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tantek
wardn - awesome!
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wardn
just found you guys the other day
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tantek
how did you find us?
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wardn
golang -> bradfitz -> camlistore -> indieweb
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wardn
a rather circuitous route
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tantek
another googler?
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wardn
na
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wardn
I have friends at google but I'm a programmer at heart
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wardn
not that they're mutually exclusive
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wardn
my interest is mostly hobby
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tantek
wardn - join the club :)
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wardn
happily... I like the way you all think
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tantek
a lot of what gets done here is simple and very minimalist because it is precisely that - mostly hobby - time constrained
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wardn
if it's not simple it's not maintainable
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tantek
= no time for any extra bullshit (e.g. just one little extra mysqldump task every once in a while)
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tantek
hobby (personal time constraint) + selfdogfood = much better constrained and focused design and discussions
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wardn
agreed
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tantek
hey benwerd, you've been #socialmedia tagged :)
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benwerd
wait, what does that mean?
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barnabywalters
benwerd: you’re one of those social media gurus now
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benwerd
oh, right
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benwerd
hey, does that mean I get paid the big bucks?
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benwerd
would like to be paid with big bucks
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barnabywalters
misread that as “ducks” several times
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benwerd
would like to be paid with big ducks
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barnabywalters
I want to bring back duckrolling. it sounds infinitely more entertaining than rickrolling
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aral
Hey folks, I’ve set up a sign up form for the Terms and Conditions May Apply screening on the 7th (4PM-6PM) that will be taking place during Indie Web Camp UK — here’s the link for you guys before I tweet it. Please sign up separate if you’d like to attend even if you’ve already signed up on the Wiki for Indie Web Camp as seating is limited to 30 people.http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/event/5655728436
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aral
PS. More info on the film: http://tacma.net
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benwerd
barnabywalters: make it so
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aral
As far as I know, this will the first time the film is screened in the UK.
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aral
* will be
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barnabywalters
aral: registered, thanks
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aral
Awesome :)
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tommorris
Are there any terms and conditions one must agree to before signing up for the screening?
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aral
Yes. We own your first born.
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aral
Or your Star Trek collection.
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tommorris
I have neither, so I'd be fine.
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tommorris
Alas, I won't be there as I'll be in New York.
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aaronpk
awesome!
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cldstr
There's one Terms and Conditions screening coming up at Mercado in Santa Clara on Oct 22. http://www.tugg.com/events/5194
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barnabywalters
I need to try to organise a Reykjavik screening
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aaronpk
benwerd: whoa you are on le hackernews
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tantek
signed-up for the screening of Terms and Conditions May Apply Film Screening during IndieWebCampUK
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aaronpk
tantek: I just discovered a problem with my URL scheme for notes
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tantek
uh oh
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aaronpk
I want to go back and import all my instagram photos as notes
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aaronpk
but because they're numbered sequentially, if I add my old photos they will be out of order with the text notes on the same day
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tantek
aaronpk - this reminds me of the one of the original use cases I came up with for my own different URL short codes / post types
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tantek
different storage / service / posting processes
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aaronpk
yes, it wouldn't be a problem if I use a different post type prefix for photos
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benwerd
aaronpk: oh yeah! onto every NSA watchlist I go.
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tantek
this is in fact perhaps the biggest reason I have for a separate /p short code for photos
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tantek
in other news, looks like G+ +1s affect search ranking (a lot) : http://moz.com/blog/google-plus-correlations
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tantek
perhaps a reason to POSSE to G+ via a G+ +1 button.
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aaronpk
oh interesting
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benwerd
what a pain
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aaronpk
having a +1 button on all my notes would be interesting
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aaronpk
oh! "Google has been using Google+ to discover new content, and many web professionals have discovered that URLs shared on Google+ are crawled and indexed very quickly."
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tantek
I'm thinking of having a +1 button only on my posts that have yet to be POSSEd to G+, and only have it show up when I'm signed-in to my site.
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tantek
I really dislike how much overhead G+'s JS/iframe adds
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aaronpk
only you would see it?
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tantek
yes - it becomes a semi-automatic POSSE UI for me
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tantek
and then I would show a simple "View on Google+" link to the rel=syndication copy
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tantek
rather than execute Google's horrible javascript
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tantek
for *every single reader* of my posts
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aaronpk
but just +1'ing a post doesn't give it a permalink on G+ does it?
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tantek
if they happen to be a G+ user, they can click the "View on Google+" link and then click +1 there.
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tantek
aaronpk - pretty sure it does if you're the first
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tantek
but yes - getting the syndicated copy permalink is the challenge
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tantek
there should be some way to automatically do so by polling their read-only API
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barnabywalters
they have a couple of URL APIs, I can’t remember if there’s one for +1s
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aaronpk
I would suspect if you started +1'ing all your own posts it wouldn't really help their rankings
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aaronpk
probably is better if a non-author +1s a post
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aaronpk
is guessing wildly
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tantek
aaronpk - I think it may share it to your G+ stream?
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tantek
which then other G+ users can +1
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aaronpk
worth an experiment
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tantek
experiment, yes. slowing down everyone's experience who reads my site, no.
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barnabywalters
sucking up to google = not a good plan in the long run IMO
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barnabywalters
not worth the bad experience, probably not worth the search boost
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barnabywalters
certainly not worth the effort it would take to automatically POSSE to G+
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tantek
barnabywalters - yeah, I have other priorities as well. I may still write it up on the wiki however in case it's a priority for someone else, or perhaps some indieweb googlers want to try it (since googlers in general apparently use G+ directly in all seriousness)
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benwerd
oh, hey, mailpile met its goal!
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tantek.com
edited /Google+ (+622) "/* POSSE */ add subheads for POSSE why (with article), indieweb examples, Will Norris"
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tantek
aaronpk did you apply for Twitter Headlines?
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tantek
fill out the form etc.
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shaners
good morning, sailors!
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tantek
good morning shaners
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shaners
is reading the logs
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tantek
looks like benward answered some of my questions about Twitter
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shaners
yep. maybe, embed those tweets in your blog post? #meta
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tantek
shaners - that was my first thought too (actually to do a second blog post with just the questions that he answered)
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tantek
but then I realized that that would result in too much repeated text. so I'm likely to just blockquote the answers from his tweets
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iamshane.com
edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+115) "/* added my original "no more sharecropping" post to 2010 */"
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SRCR
Is there a directory of indieweb sites ?
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iamshane.com
edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+125) "/* added my "We Need a Twitter API Clone Ruby Gem" to 2010 */"
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aral
Hey folks, anyone know if Brad (Fitzpatrick) is in the house? The installation instructions for Camlistore should include a line about setting the PCK_CONFIG_PATH — otherwise the build fails (at least when go is installed via brew). This worked for me: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/Cellar/sqlite/3.7.17/lib/pkgconfig (you’ll have to change the version). Best thing would be to add this to the build script if possible.
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iamshane.com
edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+119) "/* added my "JSON-LD is an Unneeded Spec" post to 2013 */"
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pdurbin
he hangs out here?
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pdurbin
swoons
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aral
Hey Tantek, any chance you can bring Brad with you when you pop over for Indie Web Camp? :) Wondering if we can’t build the file system for Prometheus on top of Camlistore… *goes back to playing with it*
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melvster
has anyone to date written an indieweb game?
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@aral
@TinyClanger Humph—I guess we need to rebuild the whole freaking web, #indieweb style :)
(twitter.com/_/status/369906944179707905)
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bret
SRCR: Here are my bookmarks of indiewebish sites I come across: https://pinboard.in/u:bcomnes/t:indieweb/
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bret
melvster: no indieweb games that I have seen. You have some ideas?
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aaronpk
melvster: we were toying with the idea of indieweb chess, each person makes a move by publishing a post on their site
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bret
Proof of concept
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bret
has anyone made progress with webactions?
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bret
Should I add some action buttons to my site?
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bret
benwerd: do you have any suggestions for realtime video on the web?
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bret
I'm working on a project to put an Scanning electron microscope online for educational purposes, was eying webrtc
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aaronpk
lol I like the "for educational purposes" disclaimer. makes it sound way more insidious.
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bret
Its kind of the only excuse in academia to work on a project that increases accesss
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bret
so it seems, I don't really know
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bret
in chrome or firefox
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aaronpk
i see me
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bret
It says waiting for someone to join: URL
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bret
oh well
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bret
thank aaronpk
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bret
hi julien51
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wardn
says I'm currently sharing my microphone... although there's no microphone attached
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bret
I closed my session at this point
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barnabywalters
bret: in reply to your earlier question: yes, please go ahead and put <action> markup on your site
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barnabywalters
if you have any questions I can probably answer them
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bret
Do you have an example reference?
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bret
or recommend one?
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bret
just what do do on your site?
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barnabywalters
bret: I have <action> buttons for post, reply and bookmark verbs on note permalink pages
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barnabywalters
and just reply on my note feed
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aaronpk
i'm still on the fence about web action markup within the site
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: me too
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aaronpk
so far i've been happy with my bookmark toolbar method
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aaronpk
also it works on every site right now :)
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barnabywalters
in-page markup does have some advantages, e.g. replying to a note in a feed without having to go to the permalink page
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eschnou
bret, my site also has actions enabled on items, would love feedback on this. Note that I took the choice to style them (and still wait for barnaby to show some love to his own buttons :-)
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barnabywalters
yes my buttons are rather ugly
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barnabywalters
where is the algorithm for fetching a original post URL from a syndicated copy?
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aaronpk
original post discovery
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barnabywalters
I want to get that built tonight
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barnabywalters
thanks aaronpk
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eschnou
just passing by following benwerd post and realizing there are 73 users on this channel?? Is it a consequence of the wired article? Really cool anyway!
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aaronpk
eschnou: yes I believe so! lots of new people joining the last couple days!
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: are you doing original post discovery on all URLs or filtering by known silos e.g. twitter?
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: all URLs
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bret
eschnou: i don't see the action buttons
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aaronpk
i think... let me double check
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eschnou
bret, should be on every item, reply and share. Do you see them on barnabywalters site? Mine are re-styled in blue links that matches the page styling.
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aaronpk
hm no actually it's just doing it for tweets right now, although the code is basically set up to handle it for everything
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eschnou
bret, huh? I just realized they are gone...
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bret
I see "Reply Tweet Favourite" below barnaby's notes and just a comment box on your site
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bret
oh heel!
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barnabywalters
bret: you’re seeing the fallback elements
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eschnou
barnabywalters, could my site moving to https have an impact on your app?
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bret
but they are wrapped in the action tags
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barnabywalters
eschnou: my app?
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barnabywalters
the extension?
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barnabywalters
I’m pretty sure not, no
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eschnou
barnabywalters, my bad, I was in firefox, had forgotten it was a chrome extension :-)
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eschnou
and I don't use chrome anymore :-D
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barnabywalters
eschnou: technically it’s a cross-browser extension :) and good choice
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eschnou
barnabywalters, really? never realized that, I'll try out in FF then!
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barnabywalters
eschnou: yep, I use the kango framework which builds extensions for opera, ff, chrome and safari from one codebase
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barnabywalters
if you pay them you can also get IE support
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eschnou
cool!
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barnabywalters
it’s not *actually* a proper open source framework, but works really well and is free as in beer, which is good enough for the moment
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bret
Not supporting IE is a feature in my book
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@jddunn
Just in general, FOSS and indieweb social software alternatives are absolute crap from a UX and human factors perspective.
(twitter.com/_/status/369934675852029952)
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@benwerd
@jddunn A lot of us are trying to work on this. Specific, constructive UX #indieweb feedback is really helpful.
(twitter.com/_/status/369937823404539905)
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@t
@jddunn, http://jareddunn.org looks nice. What software / plugins / templates are you using? #indieweb #ux (ttk.me t4Rc2)
(twitter.com/_/status/369940040010727424)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: are you using the twitter shim when doing original post discovery?
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@tistre
Blog post w/ lots of links: Indie Web resources: Silos vs. an open Web http://www.strehle.de/tim/weblog/archives/2013/08/21/1641 (inspired by @bastianallgeier) #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/369951754450108416)
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bret
someone running new chrome and or firefox wanna test webRTC with me?
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bret
nm closed it
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