#indiewebcamp 2013-07-30

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donpdonp if we're going to get really modern, "a small autonomous drone will be hovering outside your door in a few minutes. flash the following QR code to it for verification."
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tantek yes, one-time auth postcard delivery via drone. love it.
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tantek even better if you can outfit the drone with the tiny receipt printer itself.
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tantek like this guy: http://bergcloud.com/littleprinter/
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iamshane.com edited /Homesteading (+128) "added Vine to Homesteading page" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, finally found a decent article about the IG worm with more details: http://www.threattracksecurity.com/it-blog/instagram-smoothie-spam-serves-up-fake-bbc-sites/
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tantek plenty of actual attack URLs in that article to analyze
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tantek I'm assuming they've figured out a mobile-Safari-specific XSS hack that allows them to compromise a user who is already cookied into instagram.com on their browser, changing their bio (to add the link to spread), and email address (users have reported getting locked out when they hit the reset password link).
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tantek meta-IG-hacked-photo: http://instagram.com/p/cQnfJ3peYE
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tantek.com edited /antipatterns (+45) "/* mass adoption */ AKA the "design for everyone" anti-pattern" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Why_web_sign-in (+1192) "/* Why not email */ add overview to tie together subsections" (view diff)
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tantek bret - I added a better overview to tie together the subsections to http://indiewebcamp.com/Why_web_sign-in#Why_not_email - hope that helps in any future discussions you might have with email identity advocates
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tantek that being said, please feel free to collect additional rationalizations you hear for using email for identity. let's collect/debunk them all.
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bret aparently email verrification is a pain in the ass to: http://blog.mailgun.com/post/free-email-validation-api-for-web-forms/
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bret thanks tantek ill check it out now
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bret See the "Why is email validation so hard?" header
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bret (not the whole article)
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tantek hah - that's another good slew of reasons not build your app's identity system on email.
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@devseo http://benwerd.com/2013/07/09/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem/ - The IndieWeb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem
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caseorganic.com edited /business-models (+1180) "/* Hosting Services */ Added a version of a hosted service that takes care of the knowledge required to set up a domain" (view diff)
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@fdevillamil @majdanafissa Thx :-). Everything's explained there: http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter #indieweb #posse. (fv.gs FiQ8hF)
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@veganstraightedge "… business value of other decentralized technologies, like email and the phone system, are hardly questioned."
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erikmaarten.com edited /Why_web_sign-in (+443) "/* But a domain is a big investment */" (view diff)
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bret !tell julien51 In reply to your question about how people follow indieweb people on the web: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bretc/9397720277/ Self hosted fever, read with reeder.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters !tell tantek cassis+php autolinking doesn’t match unicode chars: http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/cassis-php-unicode-fail.png — http://php.net/manual/en/regexp.reference.unicode.php looks relevant but not sure if it can be fixed without breaking js regexes :/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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barnabywalters Loqi: how do you know people’s genders? REVEAL YOUR SECRETS
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tommorris should unignore Loqi
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barnabywalters wild, convoluted theory: irc nick -> personal url from wiki page -> .h-card .u-photo -> facial recognition gender estimation
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tommorris you can put gender in hCard I believe
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barnabywalters tommorris: I don’t think I’ve ever seen it in the wild
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tommorris I know tantek put lots of work into getting vCard to include sensible trans-inclusive sex and gender properties
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tommorris FOAF has similarly enlightened gender properties - a string with two blessed values of "male" and "female" but which you can put any other value you like in
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tommorris also, Reeder is awesome, but I'm so patiently waiting for the guy to sort out the desktop and iPad version
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barnabywalters tommorris: I’m in the same boat — I used the iPad and desktop versions all the time
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bret barnabywalters, there is something subtly off about the font you use below a certain text size when viewing your site in windows
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bret it looks fine on the averia site though
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barnabywalters bret: can you send a screenshot? I don’t have access to a windows machine at the moment
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bret barnabywalters, sure thing :) http://i.imgur.com/YBsxcSY.png
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bret this is what the reference site looks like on windows. both shots from firefox http://i.imgur.com/tGmvhKF.png
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barnabywalters bret: thanks :) looks like it’s not not antialiasing very well. I should probably just turn it off for windows
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bret There also is that hack where you can use a subtle text shadow for simple aa, not sure what the drawback is though
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bret its a nice font though, I like it
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barnabywalters I’ve become a bit attached to it after initially loving the idea
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barnabywalters it has a pleasantly organic, eroded look which reminds me of early type
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bret looks like it came out of an old book or something
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barnabywalters bret: yeah, it reminds me of facsimilies like http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/ravenscroft/brief/all.pdf
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bret its kind of funny how different fonts display on different systems.... windows is terrible
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bret even helvetica looks like crap
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bret actually ff looks a little better
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bret ok i need sleep
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Jihaisse hello
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barnabywalters greetings Jihaisse
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Jihaisse I have a wordpress and I'm wondering if there is a plugin that fetch all comments from fb/twitter/what ever... and create a wp comment on the article ?
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Jihaisse I'm using sharePress to POSSE
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: not that I know of — if you find one please add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/backfeed
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: I don't find one yet... :(
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Jihaisse I thought that webmention was doing that, but, no... ?
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: you should also look at https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention for getting webmention comments working
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barnabywalters indieweb comments allow individual indie sites to exchange comments
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barnabywalters what you described (pulling comments in from silos) is social back-compatibility (like POSSE)
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: what’s the personal URL you’re POSSEing from?
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: for now : www.js-zone.net/wordpress
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: I've installed wordpress-webmention but didn't understand how it worked
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: I’ll try sending you a comment
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: from where ?
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barnabywalters from http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RGAqE/
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barnabywalters but looks like it didn’t work
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barnabywalters did you activate the plugin in the admin?
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: the ping work
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Jihaisse I have a comment in the admin
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barnabywalters oh great!
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Jihaisse not yet approved
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Jihaisse but webmention isn't installed !
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barnabywalters yeah, from my logs it looks like it hit the pingback endpoint, not the webmention one
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Jihaisse ok, I'll install webmention
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: ok, webmention is active, can you try sending me a new comment ?
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: sure, resending…
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barnabywalters okay, I tried resending via webmention
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: I got nothing
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barnabywalters ah, I might have entered the command wrong, give me a sec
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: tell me when you have some times
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@eschnou In true #indieweb spirit, and following the crash of The Old Reader, I'm now hosting my own #rss reader. It fe... http://eschnou.com/entry/in-true-indieweb-spirit-and-following-the-crash-of-the-old-reader-im-no-62-24999.html
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Loqi julien51: bret left you a message 3 hours, 23 minutes ago: In reply to your question about how people follow indieweb people on the web: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bretc/9397720277/ Self hosted fever, read with reeder.
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pfefferle Jihaisse send you a webmention… seemed to work :)
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pfefferle Jihaisse if you want to answer the comment, use the "Répondre" button
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pfefferle Jihaisse me too http://notizblog.org/replies/jihaisse-trying-webmention-for-wordpress/#comments
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Jihaisse pfefferle: ok, the "class" thing on the <a> is not really user friendly
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pfefferle sure
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pfefferle i am working on some alternatives
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pfefferle will drop you a note if a new version is available…
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Jihaisse is it possible to send a webmention to all links inside the Reply type ?
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Jihaisse is there any drawback to this ?
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pfefferle not with the actual version, but it will be a feature of the new version
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pfefferle what is "drawback"?
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Jihaisse erh, a not wanted side effect ?
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Jihaisse I'm not sure about the word...
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pfefferle i don't know what you mean with drawback…
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Jihaisse pfefferle: http://www.wordreference.com/ende/drawback
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f-a :o
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pfefferle ahh, the negative effect with pinging all links is, that they would be displayed as "mentiones" only
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pfefferle here is an example http://www.sandeep.io/81#mentions
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Jihaisse ok, a mention, not a reply
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Jihaisse I see
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pfefferle yes
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pfefferle but i am experimenting with wordpress' custom post fields…
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tommorris UTC ALL THE THINGS
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tommorris c'mon Loqi
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pfefferle that means that you will be able to reply to other posts by putting some links into a form field
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Jihaisse ok.
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pfefferle but this is not quiet finished yet...
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Jihaisse btw, I've found this : http://wordpress.org/plugins/twitter-mentions-as-comments/
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Jihaisse it need curl
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pfefferle oh nice
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Jihaisse when I will have curl installed, I will give it a try
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Jihaisse but I didn't find the same for facebook
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Jihaisse (yet)
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Jihaisse if the one for twitter is working, I will try to adapt it for fb...
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pfefferle i don't know if the graph-api supports something like that
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Jihaisse don't know
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Jihaisse pfefferle: good work for your plugins !
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pfefferle thanks :)
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@beckenhaub Werde jetzt mal ownCloud als Dropbox Alternative ausprobieren. Erfahrungen, Meinungen, Alternativen? https://owncloud.org/ #OwnYourData
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jihaisse_ hello
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Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 7 hours, 15 minutes ago: cassis+php autolinking doesn’t match unicode chars: http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/cassis-php-unicode-fail.png — http://php.net/manual/en/regexp.reference.unicode.php looks relevant but not sure if it can be fixed without breaking js regexes :/
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tantek barnabywalters - yeah, that might take some work. mind filing a gh issue on it to at least capture it? thanks!@
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tantek !tell barnabywalters - yeah, that (cassis+php autolinking unicode) might take some work. mind filing a gh issue on it to at least capture it? thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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f-a !seen tantek
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tantek ?
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f-a what's the command to issue to check when a nick was last seen on the channel?
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tantek I don't think there is one
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f-a ok
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jihaisse_ pfefferle: the archive of semPress on wordpress is wrong
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@devseo The IndieWeb as a minimum viable social web ecosystem - http://benwerd.com/2013/07/09/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem/
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f-a wheter you agree or not (I don't), this is an, err, interesting neologism https://io.patrickhaverkamp.com/phaverkamp/note/v5dlpUShRfS4Uw-v8w8QWw
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aaronpk we've gotta get evanpro to add mf2 markup to pump.io already
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tantek aaronpk - he said he'd accept pull requests for it
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tantek certainly before the w3c socialweb summit
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tantek er, workshop
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tantek f-a, you know what's *not* tacticool? typos in a definition like "… defacto encryption stands [sic]" ;)
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f-a haha
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aaronpk yea, I remember him saying that at osbridge
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aaronpk I don't do a lot of node, but I'll see what I can do
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tantek hmm, this could use some URLs and expansion: http://indiewebcamp.com/pump.io
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tantek I thought I'd captured the github URL somewhere but can't find it now
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tantek https://github.com/e14n/pump.io
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tantek.com edited /pump.io (+197) "add dfn, summary, github URL" (view diff)
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shaners is anyone doing anything with relationship status markup on their own site
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shaners i know tantek was exploring some time ago
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shaners but i don't know whatever came of it
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hadleybeeman Shaners: XFN has values for the rel= attribute... Is that what you were thinking of?
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hadleybeeman http://gmpg.org/xfn/11
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shaners hadleybeeman: yeah, xfn's rel-sweethear that covers part of it.
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shaners but there's also the common idiom of "Relationship status: single/divorced/in a relationship/it's complicated/etc"
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shaners that's the part i'm curious about
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hadleybeeman Facebook-style? :) I don't know if anyone is working on that. I'd be keen to hear.
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shaners yeah. fb/dating site/etc style.
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hadleybeeman Right. I can see how it'd be useful. I think tommorris was working on an ontology for Wikipedia... Not sure how mature that is now?
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shaners hadleybeeman: i'm thinking something like this:
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shaners "<h-card.p-name rel-me>Shane</h-card> is <p-relationship-status>in a relationship</p-relationship-status> with <h-card.p-name rel-sweetheart>Anneke</h-card>"
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hadleybeeman Shaners: Ha! I've just worked out who you are. Sorry about that. :)
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aaronpk LOL
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shaners yeah. i wish i could use "veganstraightedge" as my nick on freenode, but they limit it to some silly short amount of characters
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aaronpk yea I thought that's what the whole xfn values were for
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hadleybeeman I stopped Whois-ing people in this channel a while ago. Perhaps I should start checking again, now that I know more of you IRL
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hadleybeeman waves to aaronpk too
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neuro` Good evening
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aaronpk waves
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hadleybeeman Right. Shaners, I'm no expert on microformats, but your syntax makes sense to me. Are you proposing to create "p-relationship-status"?
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shaners hadleybeeman: either create it, or maybe it already exists, or maybe there's another solution already
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f-a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML_Friends_Network like these?
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hadleybeeman Shaners: Well, you could take Facebook's list of values, though I shudder to think what the licensing terms might be https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/api/user/
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hadleybeeman I was just looking to see if anyone in the semantic web world is working on it. There is a microformats page on the subject, which I missed before: http://microformats.org/wiki/relationship-status
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hadleybeeman And then this is from wikipedia. But tommorris, there must be more than this, no? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_relationship_status
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iamshane.com created /relationship-status (+525) "relationship-status stub" (view diff)
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hadleybeeman Looks like a good start, shaners. :) Bedtime for me. Let me know how it turns out.
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hadleybeeman 'Night, all.
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shaners night hadleybeeman
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f-a ciao
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iamshane.com edited /relationship-status (+178) "added link to existing mf wiki page about exactly this. derp." (view diff)
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shaners f-a: not exactly. xfn covers the rel to a person (eg, rel-sweetheart). but not all the different ways to say what the that she is my sweetheart are covered:
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shaners in a relationship, married, dating, etc
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f-a indeed, thanks for the clarification!
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shaners but as hadleybeeman showed, work's already been done about this on the mf site:
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shaners http://microformats.org/wiki/relationship-status
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