#indiewebcamp 2013-06-30

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sandeepshetty
tantek: it's tricky to balance the need for reducing barriers to collaboration while also increasing it to avoid spam. On the IWC wiki, I got in easily with Openid but when it switched to indieauth it took me a couple of months to get around to using the wiki
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pdurbin
sandeepshetty: sure. certainly on topic for #swig as well, where sivoais hangs out. if you guy have a conversation, please link to the logs. (i.e. http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/swig/2013-06-29.html )
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tantek.com
edited /2013/UK (+5) "sort RSVPs"
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sandeepshetty
is there going to be remote participating allowed to IWC 2013/UK?
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sandeepshetty
*participation
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tantek
create a section on Remote Participation on the wiki page like the one for /2013 and let's make it happen!
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christopheducamp.com
created /foursquare-fr (+27) "[fr: redirection]"
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tantek.com
edited /2013/UK (+117) "/* IndieWebCampUK */ put consider dConstruct up at the top"
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www.sandeep.io
edited /2013/UK (+1077) "Added Remote Participation section and added myself to it."
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@xtof_fr
@lentremetteur prête pour partir sur @MyDataLabs #indieweb ?
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sandeepshetty
tantek: dt-published might be required when you're paginating feeds.
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tantek
I don't think pagination makes sense for feeds. instead, have crawlable date-time indexed archives.
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tantek
e.g. by year, month, maybe even day
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tantek
pagination is bad because the links to pagination pages don't mean anything - they change all the time
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sandeepshetty
pagination solves on problem with pull based feeds..
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sandeepshetty
if you are polling at some interval and the feed has updates within that period that are pushed to the next page.. they will be missed by the poller
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sandeepshetty
pagination help get all updates till the last one present locally
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: check out the way I do pagination, theyre all permalinks that don't change, so tantek's concerns are covered
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josephboyle
What do you guys like to use for delivery of mail to your domains and spam filtering?
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aaronpk
josephboyle: I use gmail for spam filtering, but all my domain names run through my own postfix server which I forward then to gmail
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josephboyle
Do you only send mails that fail your personal whitelist to gmail for filtering?
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: converspace also does pagination that are permalinks (give me posts older/newer than this post_id )
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@sandeepshetty
A valid Atom 1.0 feed generated from the h-feed on sandeep.io... http://www.sandeep.io/98 #indieweb /cc @t
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: first pass at h-feed to atom proxy is live! :)
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sandeepshetty
only works with a proper h-feed and has no fallback yet
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sandeepshetty
will clean it up later to pick up top level h-entry like on your site
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: nice!
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: A mention showed up a little weirdly on your site: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/06/28/1/indieweb
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aaronpk
!tell sandeepshetty yea bret was missing a space between the <a> amd <p> tags
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
bret: looks like you've updated the code since then, if you re-send the webmention it will apparently update
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bret
are people treating likes and reposts differently?
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bret
also, aaronpk, does pin13 parse h-cards that are on another page as described on http://indiewebcamp.com/authorship ?
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bret
linked from within an h-entry
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aaronpk
bret: yes sandeep treats likes and reposes differently
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aaronpk
and pin13 is just the php-mf2 parser
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aaronpk
it checs out the master branch every hour or so
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bret
oh ok
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tantek
good evening indiewebcampers
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bret
hi tantek
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aaronpk
good evening
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Loqi
sandeepshetty: aaronpk left you a message 18 minutes ago: yea bret was missing a space between the <a> amd <p> tags
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bret
ill resend that webmention
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bret
got an already registered error but it updated alright
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sandeepshetty
bret: (re /authorship) the mf2-cleaner that barnabywalters is working on has a getAuthor that should do it eventually.
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aaronpk
bret: sweet
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bret
sandeepshetty good to know
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bret
i kind of like the idea of having a link to a single h-card rather than a card per post item
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sandeepshetty
yeah I switched to a single h-card as well with my redesign
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tantek
sandeepshetty yesterday you said you couldn't find dt-published for my h-entry
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tantek
I didn't ask which URL - but now I'm seeing no problem
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tantek
I see the dt-published there no problem
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tantek
I haven't changed my markup
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sandeepshetty
it was the home page I was looking at
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sandeepshetty
(for the h-feed)
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tantek
you mean inside the h-entry(s) there?
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tantek
yeah the only difference is that the dt-published is on an a tag rather than a span like on the permalink pages
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tantek
nicely done!
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sandeepshetty
it's very basic right now and will probably only work with my site but I'm hoping to make it more robust
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sandeepshetty
and provide it as a service so indiewebers don't have to worry about atom
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tantek
beautiful
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sandeepshetty
sure thing. Will do it on the other side of some shut eye.
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tantek
sounds good. sleep well!
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters it appears php-mf2 doesn't support the value-class-pattern for dt-* properties when they're set on an <a href> (e.g. tantek.com) rather than a <span> (on all my permalink pages)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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sandeepshetty
tantek I filed a bug for it yesterday on github
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sandeepshetty
good night.
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tantek
good night!
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Loqi
sweet dreams
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Loqi
goodnight!
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sandeepshetty
sorry on my phone. it should be the top one on his project
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tantek
np - checking
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tantek
added info there.
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters I've added that info the github issue 25. https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/25
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek
aaronpk - I made good brainstorming progress with benwerd on IndieMark yesterday
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tantek
I have a few more mods to make today
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tantek
tonight
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tantek
feeling like I've got a pretty solid proposals for levels 0-2.
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tantek
and portions thereof
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aaronpk
OH great!!
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aaronpk
i'm super into the idea of indiemark but having trouble actually articulating it
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melvster
IndieMark?
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tantek
aaronpk - it's ok, it's taking some iterations to clear up make it sensible / useful
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tantek
melvster - how indieweb is your personal site?
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tantek
measured by real practical things that we're building, each with use-cases.
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melvster
tantek: not done webmention yet, but pretty advanced id say
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tantek
none of the theoretical/hypothetical checkmark items. every indiemark item bring utility.
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tantek
melvster, not sending or not receiving webmentions?
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aaronpk
melvster: that was a rhetorical question meant to describe IndieMark :)
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tantek
needs to include </rhetorical>
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tantek
you're going to need replies and sending of webmentions to achieve Level 2.
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tantek
Level 3 will require *receiving* webmentions and showing comments from others.
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melvster
oh cool, like badges?
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tantek
more like ringmark
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melvster
ah i see, like a test suite, good idea
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melvster
so what if there's more than one way to solve a particular use case?
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aaronpk
there's a zillion ways to solve the use case :) everybody so far has implemented it differnetly
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melvster
lol, and they all work together?
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melvster
if so that would be awesome
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melvster
so how do i add a comment, I assume it's more than just filling in the comment form?
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bret
make a post on your website
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bret
make sure the html is marked up with h-entry
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bret
send a webmention (or pingback for eschnou.com),
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bret
let me give you some links
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melvster
bret: thanks!
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bret
melvster http://pin13.net/ is useful for checking your microformats
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bret
webmentions are far easier to send, espcially from the command line
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bret
there is an example of pingback somewhere
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bret
but I'll redo that on the actual pingback page
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bret
The idea is that eventually, whatever solution you implement will make it trivial to send a webmention
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bret
melvster, if you want to reply to eschnou.com manually use this https://gist.github.com/aaronpk/5744879
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melvster
thanks, was just reading ... :)
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bret
aaronpk, what are your thoughts on upvotes now? would we syndicate a like to indieweb?
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bret
err indienews I mean
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aaronpk
i like that idea yea
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aaronpk
probably isn't the highest priority in my implementation queue
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bret
i understand, I was thinking about it
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bret
i have so much other stuff to do
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bret
im trying to decide how I want to represent these actions and verbs
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bret
I should probrably just focus on getting some simple things done really well
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Loqi
fo sho
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bret
refactoring is tedious, imagination keeps wandering
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aaronpk
make a list of all the things you want to do
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aaronpk
then prioritize it
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aaronpk
then just do one of them
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bret
i started doing that after the IRC meeting
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bret
on paper
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aaronpk
put it on the wiki!
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aaronpk
public all the things!
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Loqi
PUBLIC ALL THE THINGS http://loqi.me/7ZQ
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aaronpk
thanks loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome
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melvster
is anyone going to register rel="webmention" ?
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melvster
or is that a bad idea?
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melvster
there may be some confusion with comparing http://webmention.org and http://webmention.org/ with the trailing slash
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melvster
im not sure which is more normal...
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+993) "/* areas */"
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tantek
yes, registering rel=webmention is probably a good idea
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tantek
want to write something up on the /webmention page?
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melvster
tantek: do you know what's more normal as a URL, http://webmention.org or http://webmention.org/ ... I wasnt sure on that one ...
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tantek
with trailing slash
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melvster
ah thanks
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tantek
you need that to for it to be a proper URL
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melvster
really?
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tantek
yes, "/" is the minimum path component
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melvster
is one of those things that always confused me :)
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melvster
i know a domain redirects to the /
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tantek
the browser does that
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melvincarvalho.com
edited /webmention (+89) "/* Brainstorming */"
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tantek
and with that - I'm off to bed :)
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melvster
that's an awesome post! lol
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tantek.com
edited /webmention (+141) "/* Brainstorming */ HTML5 rel registry"
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bret
what do folks think about linklogs?
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bret.io
created /linklog (+356) "Started linklog stub."
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+1120) "/* areas */ expand on posting UI, web actions levels of achievement"
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+723) "/* areas */ resort a bit by more developed areas first, staging for inclusion into actual level definitions"
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tantek.com
edited /linklog (+165) "add a few more resources"
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@AxelNennker
I am wondering why #indieweb does not use Persona. #browserid
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waterpigs.co.uk
uploaded /File:twitter-email-reply-context.png "[[Twitter]] is using their ellipse [[reply-context]] UI within emails."
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /reply-context (+143) "/* Twitter home page */ added twitter email usage"
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Loqi
barnabywalters: pfefferle left you a message on 6/28 at 5:25am: the parser works totally fine, i had a little blackout and haven't mentioned that <url> uses &lt
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Loqi
barnabywalters: pfefferle left you a message on 6/28 at 5:38am: sandeepshetty I take everything back! I am right though!! you use a not <http://example.com> encoded instead &lt;http://example.com&gt
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Loqi
barnabywalters: pfefferle left you a message on 6/28 at 6:13am: I like the new rel-parser a lot, thanks!
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Loqi
barnabywalters: erikmaarten left you a message 1 day, 6 hours ago: there seems to be a problem installing mf-cleaner with Composer. mf-cleaner requires tantek/cassis, but "no matching package found". Perhaps a minimum-stability issue?
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Loqi
barnabywalters: erikmaarten left you a message 1 day, 5 hours ago: sorry, mf-cleaner requires helpers, which require tantek/cassis.
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 52 minutes ago: it appears php-mf2 doesn't support the value-class-pattern for dt-* properties when they're set on an <a href> (e.g. tantek.com) rather than a <span> (on all my permalink pages)
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 52 minutes ago: compare http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/2013/178/t1/surreal-meeting-dpdpdp-trondisc which was dt-published to http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://tantek.com/ which lacks dt-published.
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 47 minutes ago: I've added that info the github issue 25. https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/25
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barnabywalters
okay, thanks Loqi
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Loqi
you're welcome
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erikmaarten
nice slew of messages you got there, barnabywalters :)
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tommorris
msgspam
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barnabywalters
erikmaarten: working on yours first — it occurs to me I haven’t actually tried a clean composer install of mf-cleaner
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barnabywalters
wait, does the second message imply it was resolved?
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erikmaarten
no, I just realized I mistyped the first message a little bit
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barnabywalters
ah, apparently not — okay, fixing
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erikmaarten
the error message was something like that, mf-cleaner requires helpers, helpers require tantek/cassis
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barnabywalters
ah, okay, I just tried installing cassis and I know why this is
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erikmaarten
so I guess there's only some minor problem getting the tantek/cassis package
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erikmaarten
what was it?
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barnabywalters
either you need to set minimum_stability: dev in your composer.json, or tantek needs to tag a release of cassis, or both
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erikmaarten
right, easy to get around then
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barnabywalters
might actually be a hyphen instead of an underscore
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erikmaarten
so, "minimum-stability": "dev", before the requires in my composer.json, right?
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barnabywalters
erikmaarten: yep, or if you don’t want that setting to apply to all your other packages then "tantek/cassis": "dev-master" might work http://getcomposer.org/doc/04-schema.md#minimum-stability
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barnabywalters
prefer-stable might also be useful, I’ve never actually come across it before
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erikmaarten
barnabywalters: I set minimum-stability to dev and it worked fine.
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barnabywalters
erikmaarten: yay! I’ll ask tantek about tagging his releases so people don’t have to go through this little dance — I think this has happened a few times
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Loqi
giggles
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erikmaarten
How would I use prefer-stable? I'm looking at the documentation but it doesn't make very clear how to enable prefer-stable. Would it possibly be something like "prefer-stable": "true", do you think?
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barnabywalters
erikmaarten: I think so, yes. try it, we can make the docs clearer if it works
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erikmaarten
oops, it wasn't :)
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erikmaarten
right, so it seems a boolean value enables/disables it
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erikmaarten
"prefer-stable": true, seems to work
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erikmaarten
It's a bit confusing that the docs use "true" for some options
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erikmaarten
(as a string)
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erikmaarten
I added the usage to the docs and sent a pull request
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erikmaarten
my first ever pull request!
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barnabywalters
erikmaarten: oh brilliant! thanks for that
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erikmaarten
no problem!
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /Taproot (+96) "/* Roadmap */ pirates, updated roadmap"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /Taproot (+99) "/* Roadmap */ twitter shimming"
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www.sandeep.io
edited /webmention (+154) "/* Brainstorming */ I'll take up registering the webmention rel if there is enough consensus that we need it..."
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www.sandeep.io
edited /webmention (+65) "/* Brainstorming */ Forgot to sign the last commit."
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@sandeepshetty
DRY: h-feed enabled = Atom enabled http://www.sandeep.io/98 #indieweb #microformats
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aaronpk
i'm awake, but i really shouldn't be
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: nice work getting h-entry to ATOM going!
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barnabywalters
morning aaronpk :)
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aaronpk
morning :)
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: thanks.
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: the Twitter msg formatting is nice... any way to link to original tweet permalink as well?
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sandeepshetty
(context: IRC/loqi)
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Loqi
is done
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pdurbin
sandeepshetty: last time I'm playing messenger: http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2013-06-30#i_9817 :)
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: unfortunately not unless I include the permalink in the line that goes to IRC
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aaronpk
which I should probably do
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tantek
good morning indiewebcamp
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tantek
barnabywalters how can I help with tagging cassis?
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barnabywalters
morning tantek
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barnabywalters
easiest thing to do is, every time you push changes, tag the commit with a version number like v0.1.1
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barnabywalters
so, whenever I want to push a new stable version of php-mf2 I check all the tests pass, then:
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Loqi
CHECK ALL THE TESTS http://loqi.me/7ZU
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barnabywalters
1. git tag (to see what the current highest version is)
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barnabywalters
2. git tag v0.1.x (where X is one more than the current highest)
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barnabywalters
3. git push && git push --tags
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tantek
huh so if I do this once then I'm done right? until someone wants to depend on a new function?
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Loqi
5 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/829297bf2b44...b9dd2c367b4b
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Loqi
aaronpk: show email address under the persona button for when there are multiple addresses on the page
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Loqi
aaronpk: Don't make an HTTP request to verify the provider status unless it's actually a known provider. SMS and email no longer require an HTTP request either.
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Loqi
aaronpk: adds more providers to the rakefile
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tantek
hates command line UIs
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aaronpk
tantek: you should check out Gitbox, it's a pretty decent Git GUI
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aaronpk
way easier to tag stuff and push code around
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barnabywalters
tantek: well, either that or we tell everyone explicitly to require the dev version of cassis
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barnabywalters
hm, should be pretty easy to create a single command which does the whole thing for you
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tantek
git tag does nothing - what does that mean?
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tantek
then I have to remember/maintain that one-off single command
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aaronpk
use gitbox!
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tantek
opens the github mac app
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barnabywalters
tantek: or alternatively add it to a git hook and then forget about it — it just runs automatically whenever you push
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aaronpk
i don't like the github app as much actually
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tantek
I guess it's good to require an explicit versioning action
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tantek
for dependencies
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aaronpk
ahhh much better. just pushed up a change to indieauth which speeds up the first step a bunch. now if you want to do SMS or email auth it doens't take nearly as long
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Loqi
aaronpk has 171 karma
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aaronpk
more coming soon
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tantek
barnabywalters , in the command git tag v0.1.x - does x have to be a number 0-9? or are letters ok?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: localstorage caching of previously found providers?
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barnabywalters
tantek: number, not 1-9 though, just incrementing
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barnabywalters
e.g. php-mf2 is on v0.1.17 at the moment
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: even better
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aaronpk
client-side would not be secure
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barnabywalters
and v0.2.0 will include some breaking changes like encoding non e-* properties by default
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tantek_
barnabywalters, I mean like is v0.1.1a ok
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barnabywalters
tantek_: I don’t think packagist supports that, why do you want to use it?
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tantek_
sexagesimal epoch days of course
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barnabywalters
well you could raise it as an issue but I think people are likely to want to stick to the simpler solution
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barnabywalters
ah yeah I forgot that you can actually specify the version on composer.json too, which might be easier
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aaronpk
heh, I tried versioning things with sexagesimal epoch days. everybody hated it
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: at geoloqi?
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tantek_
barnabywalters, then decimal epoch days it will be
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aaronpk
here's an interesting question
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aaronpk
I want IndieAuth to give an indication of what site you're trying to log in to when looking at the list of buttons
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tantek
found a major problem in JS handling of ordinal dates in CASSIS related to DST.
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tantek
aaronpk, so in our case, IndieWebCamp.com?
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aaronpk
yep, or if you're logging in to my site, aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
so the question is... how to use microformats to pull out that data
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tantek
icon + URL?
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aaronpk
icon, url and possibly name
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tantek
do you have the requesting site's URL?
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aaronpk
maybe just url
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aaronpk
I have a redirect URI
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tantek
so you could go get the name of the site from the home page <title>
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tantek
and icon of the site is … a mess
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tantek
(thank you apple thumnbails, favicons and all the other non-standard crap)
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aaronpk
so the crazy thing is the redireect URI for the wiki may be something like this: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:IndieAuth&returnto=projects
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aaronpk
it'll be different depending on what page you hit the login form from
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aaronpk
so... should I just use "/" for the path on that domain and fetch info from there?
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aaronpk
that means one domain can only be one "app"
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aaronpk
and I could also just require a microformats-2 h-card on the home page for all the info
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tantek
one domain one app seems good enough for now :)
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aaronpk
probably yea, especially since we require root-level domains for logins
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tantek
aaronpk - sounds like the minimal h-item is all you need. name, photo, url
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aaronpk
whoa, didn't know about h-item
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tantek
yeah, it fell out of hReview
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tantek
when we converted it to h-review
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aaronpk
is that better than an h-card? aren't people already going to be publishing h-cards on their home page?
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tantek
h-card is for a person or organization
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aaronpk
so far the use cases only include people and orgs :)
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tantek
interesting
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aaronpk
e.g. logging in to aaronparecki.com to see private posts, and logging in to the wiki for the org, IndieWebCamp
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tantek
sure, let's go with that then, perhaps representative h-card in case it's not just the first one on the page?
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aaronpk
should it follow similar rules as the authorship rule?
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tantek
authorship does more
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tantek
because it's for permalink pages
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tantek
but essentially, yeah, the subset that applies to rel-author destinations (which is representative h-card)
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aaronpk
oh this is gonna be good
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Loqi
2 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/b9dd2c367b4b...5cb8670bcc9a
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Loqi
aaronpk: Pre-loads the list of profiles for returning users, speeds up logins by a ton!
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aaronpk
ok this is going live ^^
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aaronpk
wanna give it a shot? :)
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tantek
well how about that
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tommorris
W3C love us. ;)
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@Indie_Auth
Just launched a change to speed up logins a *ton* by using the last known list of providers instead of scanning each time!
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tantek
tommorris - at least the random rww community group (never heard of them)
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tommorris
tantek: melvster runs it. he lurks in here. I'm on the mailing list (which is fairly bad signal:noise, alas)
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tommorris
I think barnaby is on the mailing list too
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tommorris
in as much as I've seen him grumbling about the signal:noise ratio
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tommorris
there's some webfingery people in there, some semweb people and various other interesting people
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tommorris
some of the discussions are pretty far-out there in terms of grand architecture and philosophy rather than practical implementation. (moar self-dogfooding!)
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tommorris
but it's good there are conversations going on in W3C world
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tantek
bad signal:noise on a mailing list? imagine my surprise.
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tommorris
I know. Next we'll find out that there's trolling, drama and strife... ;)
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tantek
tommorris - for a grand architecture and philosophy good time, see the FSW mailing list.
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tommorris
ah, that may be the one
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tommorris
may have gotten FSW and RWW mixed up
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tantek
and just committed perhaps my biggest fix to CASSIS in a year+
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tantek
ouch that one was hard to find/track down.
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tommorris
also, on the mailing lists front, I did see a talk given at State of the Map US where a guy had done some kind of small scale study and found that the perception of how welcoming and trollish the community seems depends heavily on membership of the mailing list...
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tantek
yay for timezones, DST, and off by one errors!
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tantek
of course I tested the changes on my own site before committing to github
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tommorris
he said that if your primary interaction with the OSM community was through IRC, you had the best perceptions of the community. second was the wiki. third was mailing lists.
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tantek
ah, so just cut out the 3rd and we're good :)
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aaronpk
we should start an indiewebcamp mailing list, and any time anybody sends an email to it, it just auto-responds with a bunch of info about why email lists are bad and tells them how to get on IRC
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tantek
LOL!!
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neuro`
I like this ©
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tantek
aaronpk - how about an email list that requires fax confirmation to sign-up?
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters ok I did the git tag / push things you said to do for cassis - did that work?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters v0.1.15886
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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www.sandeep.io
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bret
aaronpk, have you tried http://rowanj.github.io/gitx/ yet? Its kind of like gitbox but free software
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bret
it is a fork of the original gitx, and far better and activly maintained
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tommorris
ooh that's handy
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bret
far betterr than the original gitx.*
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pdurbin
I usually just use gitk
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bret
gitk is nice to have
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bret
since it follows you everywhere
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pdurbin
I'm all about the lowest common denominator :)
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bret
aaaaand, blue screen of death, and were back
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bret
pdurbin, yeah Im starting to understand why that can be important
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bret
also, wow, indieauth is fast now!
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sandeepshetty
pdurbin: thanks.
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sandeepshetty
+1 for gitk, git-gui & lowest common denominator
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bret
How close do people thing google picasa is to the chopping block?
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bret
It still has the old google reader "like" button :/
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pdurbin
there's also some git command line visualization built in. I forget the flag
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bret
git show graph or something right?
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pdurbin
bret: yeah. git log --graph
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bret
there are a bunch of aliass that give you fancy git tree representations too if you just google for them
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bret
<3 git
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bret
nobody in my field uses it
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@domenicoperri
I liked a @YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/ IndieWeb comments, likes and events
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bret
Very cool sandeepshetty !
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sandeepshetty
bret: the atom from h-feed?
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bret
yeah!
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sandeepshetty
thanks. how does Jekyll do atom? (IIRC you have a static site?)
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bret
I know tantek isn't a fan of atom/rss, but a gajillion number of sites are still publish atom/rss and all the tools for personal aggregation only consume those data types. We need good transitional tools available and it sounds like a good start
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bret
sandeepshetty: you generate an atom or rss feed the same way you generate every other page on your site. You make a template and process it at the time of publication
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sandeepshetty
still a lot to do in h-reader.com before others can use it.
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bret
you can even have a post commit hook to hit a pubsubhubub hub to update PuSH enabled subscribers
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sandeepshetty
ah, should have known.
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bret
still, Im glad to someone is working on it :)
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bret
sandeepshetty: here is my atom template. it has some issues but works for the most part. https://github.com/bcomnes/bcomnes.github.io/blob/master/atom.xml
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sandeepshetty
I can see it's very easy to do. I would have
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bret
sandeepshetty: did you come up with web mentions?
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sandeepshetty
I think of it as more: just tried to make pingback simpler because I didn't want to do xmlrpc :)
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bret
they are great!
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@hober
The feed reader v. social network news feeds: "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age." #indieweb #googlereader #googleplus
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sandeepshetty
Yeah. Want sure what the criteria was to be included there
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bret
There are a list of ping types near the bottom
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bret
I'll add it to the list
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bret
"A trackback is one of three types of linkback methods for website authors to request notification when somebody links to one of their documents."
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bret
should I also change that to 4?
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sandeepshetty
like I said, I don't know at what point (adoption level) something qualifies to be added there
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sandeepshetty
but I guess we can always edit and see what the maintainer does
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bret.io
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sandeepshetty
bret: awesome. thanks.
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bret
ok see ya later
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bret
laptop is going to die
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@schneitj
RT @hober: The feed reader v. social network news feeds: "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age." #indieweb #googlereader #googleplus
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bret
I'm thinking about archiving metadata about media I want in my posts rather than raw URLs
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bret
then use a template to generate the embeded objects
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aaronpk
tantek: I fully support this idea of fax-based subscription to mailing lists
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aaronpk
I should add fax support to IndieAuth first
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bret
i went to a meeting about portland fiber and asked why their IRC was so poorly attended. they told me they prefer mailing lists
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sandeepshetty
bret: re metadata, it sounds similar to what I'm doing with machine tags.
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aaronpk
add <a href="fax:+15035551212" rel="me">fax</a> to your domain, then you'd get a fax with a 4-digit code that you'd enter when logging in via indieauth
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aaronpk
would totally work
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sandeepshetty
though I don't have media support yet, that is what I'll be using when I introduce them.
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bret
aaronpk, that might appeal the wizzards who fear cell phones and google voice
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bret
fax or computer dicated codes
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aaronpk
I wish I had a phone line so I could actually record a demo of this
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aaronpk
I might have to test it out at my office, I think we have a fax line there
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bret
sandeepshetty, I was thinking if I post a video of a song or something, if that video disapears, the embed could revert back to just the name of the media or something
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bret
and then its just a matter of updating to a replacement file
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: what do they use the fax line for?
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bret
lawers most likely
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aaronpk
i don't even know, most of the stuff we sign gets scanned electronically anyway
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aaronpk
i haven't seen anybody actually use it yet
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bret
tantek, another alternative to the git CLI incase you missed it: http://rowanj.github.io/gitx/
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tantek
scrolls up a bit
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tantek
hey webmention on wikipedia - awesome
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tantek
is going to Blue Front Cafe for a late post-run brunch and some indieweb hacking in case anyone wants to meet up.
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sandeepshetty
checked out how his feed looks in a feed reader and realized it looks like sh** :( and needs fixing.
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bret
I really dig the http://fed.wiki.org/ interface! But I have no idea what is going on
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aaronpk
SMS + fax auth brings up an interesting question of where does the $$ come from to send the verification messages
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bret
its like walking through a maze with all sorts of interesting things to see along the way
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bret
aaronpk does it cost $$$ to send SMS?
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aaronpk
faxes are more, like 7¢ / page
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bret
yikes
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aaronpk
i still have $45 credit with a fax provider from 2006 when I signed up, so that'll go a long way, but it's an interesting question
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I was wondering about that when you added SMS support... because sending a msg to me would have been expensive
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bret
Part of me would love to be able to ditch phone numbers and SMS
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: looks like they charge 1¢/message to india too
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aaronpk
airtel is 1.7¢, but the rest of 1
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aaronpk
ok... maybe there is a way to use the google authenticator algorithm with indieauth
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aaronpk
that would be more useful than fax probably
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bret
not as funny though
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bret
aaronpk in addition to google authenticator, there is also https://www.authy.com/ ... but the fact they wanto have give me two factor authentication so badly makes me raise an eyebrow
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bret
delete have
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bret
does anyone recoemend a good openID provider that I could add to my domain?
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bret
google requries G+
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bret
and I want to avoid that
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bret
ahh ty
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aaronpk
i think myopenid.com is the one everybody was using before
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