#indiewebcamp 2013-06-09

2013-06-09 UTC
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@mlinksva
Life in the possibly bright future of the federated social indieweb http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2013/06/08/bright-fedsocindweb/ #lastatus
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@laurelrusswurm
RT @mlinksva: Life in the possibly bright future of the federated social indieweb http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2013/06/08/bright-fedsocindweb/ #lastatus
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@singpolyma
I have changed nothing, but for some reason http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com doesn't renew with my aggregator anymore #indieweb http://sngpl.ma/t4QRB
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@mlfeatherston
RT @mlinksva: Life in the possibly bright future of the federated social indieweb http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2013/06/08/bright-fedsocindweb/ #lastatus
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nicolask_
hello there
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aaronpk
hi there
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nicolask_
Aaron! :)
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nicolask_
Are you Arab?
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aaronpk
heh no
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nicolask_
ok!
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nicolask_
so, where are u from?
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aaronpk
portland
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nicolask_
ah! ok
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nicolask_
so, r u into indie music?
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aaronpk
haha, no, this channel is about the indie *web*. you can read more about that here: http://indiewebcamp.com
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Loqi
haha
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nicolask_
oh! sorry my dumb question!
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nicolask_
reading about it ... pretty interesting
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nicolask_
Mr Parecki
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tommorris.org
edited /Twitter (+74) "/* POSSE Replies to Tweets */ I fixed it yesterday. ;)"
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sandeep.io
uploaded /File:facebook-activity.png "Facebook user specified activities."
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Loqi
evanpro: barnabywalters left you a message on 8/18 at 11:55am: barnabywalters and aarokpk having trouble getting statusnet to accept our feeds, can we have more useful error messages please?
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Loqi
evanpro: tantek left you a message on 8/18 at 12:01pm: we're documenting how to create a realtime feed that statusnt accepts
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Loqi
evanpro: tantek left you a message on 8/18 at 12:01pm: s/statusnt/statusnet
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barnabywalters
I just successfully deployed the latest version of taproot live to waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters
with filesystem storage and…
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barnabywalters
not via pingback *yet*
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barnabywalters
but visible on the ~140 diaspora posts I imported
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: yay!
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Loqi
giggles
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barnabywalters
hi sandeepshetty
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sandeepshetty
hey :) how many posts did you import?
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barnabywalters
almost 140 from diaspora
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barnabywalters
not sure exactly how many comments, but I *do* know that some of them are the only remaining copy of that content I know of on the web
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barnabywalters
due to me exporting them before some accounts were closed/servers shut down
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sandeepshetty
ah I see you mentioned that.. for some reason I confused that with "140 char notes from diaspora"
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sandeepshetty
so you moved everything to the filesystem?
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barnabywalters
yep, everything’s using Librarian now. Stored in filesystem, indexed in mysql
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barnabywalters
and versioned in git
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: regarding really simple social blogging — nice write up
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barnabywalters
+1 for u-mention being implied for any link in a h-entry
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barnabywalters
repost is an interesting one
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barnabywalters
I’ve personally never felt the need to explicitly repost things over quoting them, but the rest of the web seems to like it :)
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sandeepshetty
For longer post I might just be quoting some of it, as a way to entice someone to click and read the original post...
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sandeepshetty
so in a sense quoting might just be a subset...
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sandeepshetty
but I don't have enough quoting use-cases yet
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barnabywalters
I would have thought the other way round — reposting is a subset of quoting
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barnabywalters
without additional content being added
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barnabywalters
perhaps we should create /repost or add a section to http://indiewebcamp.com/quoting
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sandeepshetty
posts where I've quoted I don't add additional content.. maybe that's why I see it as a subset
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barnabywalters
typically when I do quote without adding any extra visible content, I’m still tagging it for retrieval later
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sandeepshetty
I think tumblr turns reblogs into link sharing (with quoted text)
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barnabywalters
which in itself is a variation of bookmarking
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barnabywalters
which is currently my “like” equivalent
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sandeepshetty
ah.. I've also tagged reposts. see http://www.sandeep.io/36
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sandeepshetty
re /quoting I'll take a look at it in a bit... busy wrapping up implementing accepting webmentions and figuring out mention context
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barnabywalters
nice! I’m on to accepting comments by pingback/wm too now
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sandeepshetty
evanpro: pump.io is looking good.
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evanpro
sandeepshetty: glad to hear that
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: I pushed some UX changes so you can see where the like/repost/comment counts will go
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sandeepshetty
evanpro: Hoping to contribute a PHP lib when I have sometime to learn more about pump.io
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: I saw them! “Not implement yet” ;)
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evanpro
sandeepshetty: deeply needed!
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barnabywalters
*implemented
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evanpro
We've got one for Python already
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evanpro
But PHP not
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sandeepshetty
yep I'll be using the python one for reference..
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sandeepshetty
I took at look at it yesterday... but it'll be a few weeks before I get to it I think
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evanpro
sandeepshetty: I just tagged you on the issue in github
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evanpro
OK, I gotta get back to data munging
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evanpro
Hoping to get Identi.ca moved to pump.io this weekend
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: Re "Not implemented yet" that is my failing test... making it pass now :) using php-mf2 for the time as well btw
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sandeepshetty
s/time/first time
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: barnabywalters: Re "Not implemented yet" that is my failing test... making it pass now :) using php-mf2 for the first time as well btw
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: oh cool — let me know if you come across any problems
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: w00t congrats on the update!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: thanks
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barnabywalters
I was reminded just how difficult it is to persuade git that you no longer want a file indexed, but apart from that it went fairly smoothly :)
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barnabywalters
now implementing receiving of indieweb comments
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aaronpk
yesss! sweet
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: how are you storing comments/reply contexts?
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barnabywalters
the fact they pop up in your tag pages imply they’re separate to your notes
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aaronpk
they are, sort of
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aaronpk
let me find an example
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters, aaronpk : Do you know if eschnou is using -in-reply-to on the first federated indie web comment thread?
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: here is where the content is stored on disk: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3760/8809487777_d9bbd60de5_o.png
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aaronpk
i store the raw HTML and also the parsed json of every URL
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: woah that’s fascinating
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aaronpk
my indexer script goes through all those "external" files too looking for hashtags, that's why you see them on my tag pages
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: that's also the method we're going to use for IndieArchive
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aaronpk
eventually i'll be able to replace my "external" folder with IndieArchive
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barnabywalters
that’s so cool
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I don't the link referenced in the first img in the 2nd img?
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sandeepshetty
for eschnou
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sandeepshetty
I meant I don't *see* the link
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: the one that ends in 24947
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aaronpk
yea the screenshots are from different dates
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sandeepshetty
that explains it. Are the markdown files updates automatically when you receive a webmention?
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aaronpk
yep. my webmention endpoint is responsible for updating the md files
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aaronpk
yea i've been pretty happy with the way that turned out. i'm able to reference URLs from within any notes/replies/articles, and I only need to parse and store the URL once
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barnabywalters
is the parser .json file purely the canonical mf2 JSON or processed at all?
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barnabywalters
s/parser/parsed
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: is the parsed .json file purely the canonical mf2 JSON or processed at all?
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aaronpk
it's straight out of the mf2 parser
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aaronpk
i'm storing the original html so I can re-parse later if the parser is updated
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aaronpk
and in the case of twitter.com, I'm using my mf2 shim to create a mf2 representation of twitter URLs
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: that reminds me.... You edited webmention to add a "already_registered" error...
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sandeepshetty
I might remove that because I think people should be able to send webmentions if they update their content
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aaronpk
ah yea, like a "hey this is updated" mention?
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sandeepshetty
yep, happend with the one webmention I sent you... I chaged that post later..
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sandeepshetty
the reply changed to a repost: http://www.sandeep.io/35
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sandeepshetty
since I didn't have reposts early the only option I had was a reply
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aaronpk
ok yea, so I should actually re-parse that again huh
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sandeepshetty
yep but you might have to present it differently..
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sandeepshetty
cause it doesn't have any content anymore except for the #xkcd tag
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aaronpk
interesting
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sandeepshetty
it's a repost not a reply now :)
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: BTW, you asked me on twitter about UX for like counts, etc.. check the link I sent you early for first pass at it
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aaronpk
sweet. what link?
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sandeepshetty
by earlier I meant the "last link I sent you"
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sandeepshetty
Actually you can just sandeep.io and you should see it
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sandeepshetty
There are still some things to be figured out.. like what it means to "repost a repost"...
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aaronpk
i'm still debating the whole "repost" thing for my site
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sandeepshetty
I like the idea of a repost in the tumblr sense because it focuses on the original source..
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sandeepshetty
and almost always, I don't want to add anything to posts I want to repost
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sandeepshetty
If I want to comment on it, I would rather do it on the original and send a reply webmention
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: what are your apprehensions with repost?
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: Do you add additional commentary to quotes other than tags?
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: the first one there feels like a regular mention
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barnabywalters
some of them are. some of the older ones are more like replies
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barnabywalters
my quoting style is fairly loose
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: I've been thinking about adding a u-quote to links in posts where I quote something verbatim as part of a larger post... that's how I might do with something like that first post
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sandeepshetty
What is the microformats take on experimental classnames like I'm using... are they frowned upon or encouraged?
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: fine for experimentation provided you use an -x- (e.g. u-x-quote)
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barnabywalters
official classnames are all based off research into real world usage and existing standards
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sandeepshetty
hmm... I don't like the x- pattern... because it means in the future you have to massage a lot of historic data... they even dropped it for X-headers in HTTP
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sandeepshetty
re "massage a lot of historic data" when the x- thingy actually becomes part of the spec and you have to drop the -x-
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: yep
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: guess i'm struggling with the difference between repost and like
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aaronpk
regardless of what it's called, it's going to be a critical component of a growing "indie web" since it is a very effective way of people discovering other people to follow
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: how do you use retweet and fav on twitter?
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aaronpk
I use "favorite" a lot more
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aaronpk
I rarely retweet stuff actually
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aaronpk
I do plan on publishing a stream of stuff I've "favorited" or "liked" on a bunch of sites
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aaronpk
will be PESOS to start, eventually would be cool to POSSE them but that's less likely to happen soon
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aaronpk
holy cow .io domains are expensive
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aaronpk
did you get yours from nic.io?
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: liking is subjective to me... while reposting has to do with objective value (is it valuable to others that follow me?)
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aaronpk
interesting distinction
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aaronpk
that actually comes up a lot on facebook, you can see people click "like" because they want to express interest, even if it's a story about something terrible
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aaronpk
then the inevitable comments that follow are "how do I 'dis-like' something on fb?" or "is there an 'un-like' button?"
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sandeepshetty
here are some more (dated) thoughts on social verbs: http://sandeep.shetty.in/2012/10/social-verbs.html
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aaronpk
you've gotta get that stuff off of blogger so I can properly reply to it :)
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sandeepshetty
I didn't mean like in terms of expressing interest.. I meant in terms of me personally liking it... it about "me", where as reposting is about my "followers"
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aaronpk
ok yea that makes sense
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aaronpk
that's kind of like how I distinguish between "active" and "passive" content
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: coverspace is still not there yet... so I might be posting a little bit longer on that blogger blog of mine... but eventually I want to move stuff to sandeep.io
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aaronpk
active being things I create, or explicitly do (share/repost would fall under that category) vs passive things such as liking, sleep, etc
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barnabywalters
I love how we all have subtly different ways of thinking about the different types of content we publish
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sandeepshetty
how is sleep passive?
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barnabywalters
it cements my belief that conventional approaches to the “federated social web” are not optimal
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I'm guessing you mean sleep data
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aaronpk
sleep data yea. it's passive because the data is generated automatically and it's not something I explicitly have to create
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barnabywalters
okay, if someone would like to help me test by sending me an indieweb comment (pingback only at the moment), I’ve just pushed the code
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sandeepshetty
and how is like passive (in not the same way as repost)?
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barnabywalters
constructive criticism of this (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QRFAQ/) in particular is welcome ;)
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aaronpk
"like" is passive like you described where it's about you, not about whether you think someone else will be interested
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sandeepshetty
I've only been focusing on webmention cause I don't want to deal with the XML-RPC stuff in pingback.. but is everyone doing pingback first and then webmention?
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aaronpk
aahahaha
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: most of us have been, implementing webmention properly is next thing on my list now I think I have comments working
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: no I skipped pingback on p3k and i'm using the pingback.me proxy instead
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: so the sleep distinction is also about being automatically generated.. it's about something you are interested in?
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I meant it's *not* about being automatically generated
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: re http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QRFAQ/ haha... I was going to send you a like for it... but I only do webmention :)
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sandeepshetty
I'm almost done with implementing receiving webmentions and figuring out type... I should be able to show counts in a few hours
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: :) no problem, my bad for not implementing WM properly already. a task for tomorrow — I’ve done enough hacking/boring deployment maintenance for one day
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sandeepshetty
bbiab.. time for a really late dinner :)
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aaronpk
ah yea I do send pingbacks
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: i think the "active" content is like how you described a "re-post" vs a "like"
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: got a successful reply, but I don't see my post on your site
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: ah yeah, just fixing some bugs — sorry, I should have mentioned it
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: is there a form on pingback.me from where i could send manual pingaback?
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sandeepshetty
or some other way?
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aaronpk
no, but good idea
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aaronpk
it's not too hard with curl once you have a template xml file
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aaronpk
let me post one
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sandeepshetty
are you posting the template xml file? that would be great :)
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aaronpk
aw, gist descriptions don't use markdown formatting
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grawity
I usually add a _.md or README.md to get around that
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aaronpk
in a gist?
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grawity
Yeah
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aaronpk
whoa crazy
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aaronpk
i had no idea you could do that
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sandeepshetty
this is a good example of something I will like but not repost: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QRFAQ/
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aaronparecki.com
edited /pingback (+110) "add sample pingback gist"
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: :D
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sandeepshetty
and something /i also don't have anything to say about... but I like it :)
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sandeepshetty
so no comments.... barnabywalters let me know when you accept likes :)
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barnabywalters
oookay… after 5 mins of wrestling with git I think I’ve got it working
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barnabywalters
I’m off now — thanks for helping me test! goodnight all.
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Loqi
gute nacht!
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aaronpk
goodnight!
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sandeepshetty
evanpro: What was the thinking behind differentiating between major and minor activities in pump.io?
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tantek
hey sandeepshetty - good to be brainstorming openly and experimenting with markup too
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tantek
(re: your post on RSSB)
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sandeepshetty
tantek: was looking forward to your feedback...
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evanpro
sandeepshetty: hey
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tantek
so here's the key though - while it's good to experiment with markup (for your own purposes), it's (nearly) pointless to propose anything without first describing / documenting the user flow
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tantek
the UX
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evanpro
Sorry about that
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evanpro
sandeepshetty: it's mostly presentation
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tantek
this is perhaps the biggest failing of all past federated/social web efforts - is there was little to no documentation of *actual* user flows, screenshots, UX etc.
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tantek
people too quickly jumped to assumed requirements (from intuition that they didn't have because they hadn't selfdogfooded - for the most part), and then made up XML, JSON etc. for what they thought they needed
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sandeepshetty
evanpro: so the apps decide what goes where or are activities inherently major or minor?
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evanpro
sandeepshetty: inherently minor or major
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aaronpk
evanpro: any plans to add microformats or webmention support to e14n.com? super excited to see where you take pump.io!
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tantek
so let's take one for example, repost
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tantek
(which is an excellent name btw, as a generic term for retweet or retumbl or reblog)
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evanpro
It's pretty arbitrary -- if the verb is "share" or "post" and the object is not a "comment", it's major. Otherwise, minor.
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tantek
the biggest challenge with repost is that it's so far only something which is native to a silo for silo posts, and nothing more
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aaronpk
why is that a challenge?
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: https://github.com/indieweb/webmention/pull/1 feedback/edits welcome
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evanpro
aaronpk: almost definitely microformats. I haven't looked at webmention yet
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evanpro
aaronpk: and thanks for the kind words!
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tantek
aaronpk - it's a challenge, because it's not clear how it makes sense in a cross-site manner. What's the difference between a repost and just quoting/citing another article in full
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aaronpk
sweet! webmention is pretty simple, kind of like pingback but easier: http://webmention.org
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aaronpk
tantek: is the quote/cite in full vs repost distinction important?
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tantek
it is because if it's no different, then don't invent a new term for it
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tantek
you're not "reposting" you're just posting and quoting
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tantek
which is something people already do
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tantek
no distinction = does not deserve it's own term
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aaronpk
here's a UI distinction that comes to mind
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tantek
minimalism, simplicity etc.
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aaronpk
I would expect a quoted/cited version to appear like one of my posts with some sort of blockquote style. however a re-post I would expect to appear like a native post in my UI
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tantek.com
created /repost (+1646) "stub with existing examples"
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sandeepshetty
tantek: For me - reposting is about saying this entire post is interesting (http://www.sandeep.io/35) while quoting is about curating just the relevant parts (http://www.sandeep.io/27)
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tantek
oh hey Loqi - you reporting wiki edits still?
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tantek
aaronpk - Loqi feature request, when he says "… a message on 8/18 at 12:01pm " - which 8/18?
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Loqi
who, me?
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tantek
could Loqi please use ISO dates? YYYY-MM-DD (and preferably 24hr time also)
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tantek
this is an international channel, and a US-specific date format like "8/18" doesn't make sense for it
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grawity
speaking of wiki... any chance of me convincing you to allow wiki logins with domain+path? never really got a definitive answer when discussing this earlier
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sandeepshetty
evanpro: +1 for pointing to code :) So any new arbitrary activity is minor by default?
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evanpro
sandeepshetty: yes
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sandeepshetty
evanpro: I know you're busy so one last question: pump.io is push based right? so when you post something it fans out updates to followers (or relevant people)?
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evanpro
Yes
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evanpro
Exactly
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sandeepshetty
or does it use PuSH+json?
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evanpro
It does not
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sandeepshetty
I mean do you support hubs?
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evanpro
It has its own endpoint
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evanpro
No
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evanpro
PuSH is pretty great
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evanpro
But it doesn't allow unsolicited messages
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evanpro
Just publisher -> subscriber
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evanpro
Salmon was supposed to fix that
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evanpro
But it's hard to make it work
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evanpro
So I just collapsed the two endpoints to an "inbox"
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sandeepshetty
So it's just a json activity stream payload posted to a inbox url?
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evanpro
Yep
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evanpro
Specifically, a single activity
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evanpro
Not a collection
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sandeepshetty
and it has no s2s protocol right/
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: re the webmetion pull request.. right now the domain is associated with the other repo...
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I meant webmention.org
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tantek
wonders if he can see others' messages again
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sandeepshetty
tantek: did you get my last msg?
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tantek
well I saw that one but nothing previous
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tantek
checking the logs
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sandeepshetty
tantek: here it is again: For me - reposting is about saying this entire post is interesting (http://www.sandeep.io/35) while quoting is about curating just the relevant parts (http://www.sandeep.io/27)
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tantek
sandeepshetty - real world examples like that help a lot
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tantek
don't know if you saw but I created a /respost stub page
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sandeepshetty
I had examples in the RSSB post as well.
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sandeepshetty
nope didn't see it..
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tantek
evanpro - salmon is dead
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tantek
too hard
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tantek
too much work
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evanpro
tantek: yes, I agree
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tantek
not indie-friendly enough
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sandeepshetty
I also need to document stuff about "like vs repost"
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tantek
from now on, I'm blowing off any non-indie-friendly tech
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tantek
especially when proposed by bigco folks
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tantek
who aren't selfdogfooding
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tantek
it's like, if you're note selfdogfooding, you don't know shit
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sandeepshetty
I think salmon tried to be "perfect" and cover all bases... which is why it sucks.
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bret
whoa sandeepshetty, you are like rolling your own facebook. Nice!
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tantek
sandeepshetty - it was also being created by people (person?) who wasn't actively working on developing it on their own site
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tantek
so that's the fatal flaw
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tantek
no more of that
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tantek
speaking
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sandeepshetty
bret: thanks... on the indieweb it's more like *we* are... one person is not a social network :)
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tantek
grawity - I'm afraid I for one haven't seen a good reason to do subdomain + path
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tantek
seems like not a common case nor one we should encourage
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grawity
let's assume it is a regular domain
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tantek
let's not and go with real world examples only
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tantek
sandeepshetty - gotta watch that Loqi trickster
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bret
i started the subdomain page if you want to write about ideas, I am afraid I only wrote what made sence to me so others should probrably look over it: http://indiewebcamp.com/subdomains
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bret
sense*
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grawity
tantek: okay: for one, I have sufficient trust in http://eu.org (for example, more than .TC, which was discussed the same day)
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grawity
for another, I bought a 'real' .eu domain that serves the same website
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tantek.com
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bret
grawity, .tc is a terrible tld avoid! avoid!
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grawity
right – that's one of my points: "at least with domain name rental services you there's a well-understood profit motive / customer service to not screw people over" is sometimes just false
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tantek
but on the whole it's dependable
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tantek
maybe not every single instance
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tantek
but in general, the incentive model is setup correctly
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I desperately need the ability to login to the wiki from *any* page... right now it's the biggest "flow" breaker, which means I don't edit as frequently as I could...
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tantek
econoically
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tantek
economically
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bret
i mean, I could pay the 44 dollars and then the 77 every year after untill they raise the price, but so far they have been totally untrustworthy
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tantek
sandeepshetty - I suggested that to Aaronpk but I guess I forgot to put it on the wiki
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bret
im not losing the domain by any means
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bret
im just pissed off
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tantek
or +1 it on the wiki
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sandeepshetty
bret: the high price is interesting...
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bret
how will indi auth handle me changing domains however? seems like there should be a method to abandon a domain name under my controll and state that anything after a particular date should be consisdered a separate account
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tantek
sandeepshetty - in general, please feel free to add suggestions for the wiki to the wiki itself there
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tantek
because there's a bunch of them, and I know aaronpk is a bit crunched
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sandeepshetty
by keeping a high barrier, the namespace doesn't become a commodity and therefore they can keep the price high
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tantek
so leaving them in IRC is not as helpful
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tantek
got to put them on the wiki
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grawity
hmm
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sandeepshetty
tantek: By +1 you just mean leaving a comment there that I need it right?
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tantek
ok I'm out for now
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tantek
keep putting stuff on the wiki - assume it gets lost in IRC if you don't
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tantek
as we are getting closer to the camp, this channel is getting busier
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tantek
and thus discussion is getting lost
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tantek
I mean, if you just want to brainstorm/chitchat - cool no problem
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tantek
but if you want any follow-up or are proposing / asking anything you want iterated - put it on the wiki
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ttyl!
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@sandeepshetty
:) "<bret&gt
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Loqi
whoa sandeepshetty, you are like rolling your own facebook. Nice!" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-06-09#t1370809610 #converspace #rssb #indieweb #fedsocweb
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"<sandeepshetty&gt
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Loqi
bret: thanks... on the indieweb it's more like *we* are... one person is not a social network :)" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-06-09#t1370809660
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sandeepshetty
!tell eschnou: There is something wrong with your URL auto-linker: See my comment here http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sandeepshetty
!tell eschnou: You also need to accept pingbacks for updates to the comment on my site.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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