#indiewebcamp 2013-06-06

2013-06-06 UTC
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bret that all text blog was silly
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tantek bret np - it's amazing what ends up on the wiki ;)
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@kyledrake @veganstraightedge I'm planning on doing a short talk on Coinpunk at @indiewebcamp PDX if you're going to be there this year.
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@veganstraightedge @kyledrake @indiewebcamp Awesome / Dang!
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bret oh cool the guy who made that is going to be there?
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tantek has anyone here considered an indieweb version of quora?
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tantek e.g. we have IndieNews now: news.indiewebcamp.com
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tantek as an open/indie aggregator
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tantek what would it take to make q.indiewebcamp.com that allowed syndicating in questions and answers?
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tantek is it the same thing just with the ability to up/down vote the answers more than the question?
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tantek just a slightly different UI/stylesheet?
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tantek what do you think aaronpk?
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tantek does anyone here use Quora? I stopped (even clicking on quora links) after they implemented a sign-in to read wall.
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pdurbin I'm more of a StackOverflow guy
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tantek pdurbin - a-ha. perhaps once aaronpk has setup q.indiewebcamp.com and we've figured out the interaction flows, we can document them and pitch them to StackOverflow
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pdurbin I avoid Quora because of the sign-in read wall too. they make the text blurry or something
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pdurbin tantek: have you heard of Shapado or OSQA? They're open source StackOverflow clones
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pdurbin Shapado has an API, which pleases me. This is super rought but it kind works: https://github.com/pdurbin/data-liberation-shapado :)
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pdurbin super rough* but it kinda* works
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pdurbin Shapado, social Q&A - http://shapado.com
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pdurbin OSQA | The Open Source Q&A System - http://www.osqa.net
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sandeep.io edited /push-vs-pull () "(-591)" (view diff)
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bret pdurbin, try not using your real name
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bret they have a shitfit
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pdurbin_m bret: on Quora? I don't have an account
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bret on quora
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pdurbin_m ok
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pdurbin_m aaronpk: lovin' the top and bottom links on the IRC logs
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bret top.... bottom..... top..... ....
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pdurbin_m exactly :)
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@sandeepshetty PushHubPullSub "publishers Push updates to the Hub and updates are Pulled by Subscribers from the hub" http://sandeep.shetty.in/2013/06/pushhubpullsub.html #indieweb
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bret holy mother of god, https://github.com/alagu/pagoda an editor for jekyll
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bre.tc created /Jekyll (+1215) "Started the jekyll page" (view diff)
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bre.tc edited /projects (+26) "/* Jekyll */ Added link to main article" (view diff)
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bre.tc edited /projects (+0) "/* Jekyll */ Fixed capitalization" (view diff)
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aaronpk whoa... that looks potentially interesting
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bret looks easy to set up too
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bret no jk requires nginx
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bret it would be awsome to get off of GH pages
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aaronpk well it looks like a typical ruby app.. should be possible to run with apache if you want
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aaronpk yea it's just a sinatra app. you can run with apache+passenger too
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bret more stuff to learn
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aaronpk or run thin with apache or nginx as a reverse proxy
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aaronpk honestly that's the easiest, even if it's the least stable
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bret i want to get nginx running rutorrent, but it has been a non-trivial experience and gave up for the time being
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sandeep.io edited /push-vs-pull (+70) "/* Push */" (view diff)
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aaronpk everyone has an .io domain!
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aaronpk i should get pk.io
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Loqi definitely
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aaronpk aaron.io is already taken
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aaronpk heh i could get apk.io
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aaronpk that's *almost* better than aaron.pk
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bret i like it
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cweiske !tell tantek re http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web - the page with the openid comment is http://rasterweb.net/raster/2010/08/31/lanyrd/ - the first comment
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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sandeep.io edited /push-vs-pull (+113) "/* Notes */" (view diff)
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@EchosBusiness Comment sponsoriser #indieweb ?
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@xtof_fr Comment sponsoriser #indieweb ?
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cweiske how shall I markup my "html feed" - list of h-entry or hatom? http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/
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@xtof_fr #design cotisation en cours d'inspirations.
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@MyDataLabs Sans #indiewebcamp #mydatalabs n'aurait jamais vu le jour, aussi merci de soutenir - xtof
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pdurbin http://linky.law.harvard.edu
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Loqi tantek: cweiske left you a message 7 hours, 22 minutes ago: re http://tantek.com/2013/073/b1/silos-vs-open-social-web - the page with the openid comment is http://rasterweb.net/raster/2010/08/31/lanyrd/ - the first comment
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pdurbin "Contributing actively and fiercely to the development of free information platforms, e.g. the Internet" -- https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/342653319128444928
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@philipdurbin .@ssearp "Contributing actively and fiercely to the development of free information platforms, e.g. the Internet" is awesome #itsummit13
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tantek hey cweiske - yeah I've spoken with Simon about openid and its challenges
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tantek lots of problems with it
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tantek it's a good post
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tantek worthy wikifying a lot of the criticism of OpenID into here: http://indiewebcamp.com/openid
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cweiske tantek, I meant you can link that. in your blog post you said you can't link since the page is down
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tantek ah - right - thanks for that
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@Vicnent @xtof_fr wep, sauf que TU pars avec @nicolas2fr mais moi non (because @ Augustin :-) Donc, see u next week #mydatalabs #indieWeb #NeedToTalk
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tantek the Twitter in-stream reply-contexts are gone for me!
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tantek I don't see them any more on my Twitter home page
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tantek guess that was an experiment
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tantek glad I screenshotted it!
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barnabywalters tantek: wow that’s so weird
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tantek yeah! that's what I thought.
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tantek If we hadn't been obsessing about reply contexts lately I probably would have blown it off
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tantek did ANYONE else here see that twitter in-stream reply-context presentation? aaronpk? anyone here that's been on Twitter a while? (sometimes older users get sneak previews of stuff)
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aaronpk i didn't! although I don't go to twitter.com very often
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tantek darn - was hoping to get at least some confirmation
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tantek well *I* saw it
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tantek and the screenshots and tweets are real so there's that
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tantek we might still find some use from it
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tantek.com edited /reply-context (+218) "apparently Twitter's in-stream reply-contexts was a three day experiment." (view diff)
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tantek and I just saw another example of the in-line stream
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tantek reply-contexts
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tantek on twitter.com
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tantek maybe they were tweaking it
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tantek already saw one difference
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tantek aaronpk, tommorris, barnabywalters check your twitter.com home page regularly over the next few days to see if you see this too
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aaronpk ok. what sort of tweet will have it? i'm not sure exactly what i'm looking for
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barnabywalters will do
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tantek aaronpk - @-replies should show the original they're replying to in smaller text etc. above it
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tantek without need for clicking/expanding
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aaronpk oh! without clicking
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tantek heads up: https://twitter.com/tomayac/status/342680604573315072
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@tomayac Disabling the commenting function on my home-brew blog software. Spammers, you win. Also, fsck you. http://t.co/6yGosar2wF :-(
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tantek note: *home-brew blog software*
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tantek assume that IndieWeb commenting is now a target
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aaronpk in my experience the spam bots will look for any form field and submit junk
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barnabywalters or pingback endpoint
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aaronpk for example https://events.geoloqi.com/events/83
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tantek.com uploaded /File:twitter-home-in-stream-reply-context-tweets-2013-157.png "screenshot of Twitter home page stream fragment showing an @-reply tweet that by default shows a reply-context of the person being replied to with smaller icon, and original text being replied to, same font, just slightly smaller text size for the original tweet, and above that, the immediately previous tweet that was the start of the thread. There's also vertical ellipses and a "View conversation" link that links to the start."
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aaronpk screenshat for reference since I just deleted the entry http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2864/8969659543_db897c739c_o.png
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tantek http://flickr.com/photo.gne?id=8969659543
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tantek oh darn, private!
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tantek you know that hack right?
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tantek how to get from a staticflickr png to a URL to its page?
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aaronpk oh yea
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tantek.com edited /reply-context (+181) "/* Twitter home page */ add new version of 3 tweet thread with vertical ellipsis and View conversation link" (view diff)
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tantek updating reply-context with new screenshots as I see changes
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tantek clearly Twitter is iterating here - we can learn from their behavior
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tantek.com edited /comment (+413) "/* How To */ Beware - real world example of indieweb blogging solution being spammed" (view diff)
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@gglplay ><
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tantek aaronpk - just published another multireply
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tantek beginning to take the use case more personally seriously
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aaronpk nice!
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tantek.com edited /multiple-reply (+537) "add multireply example to more than one thread" (view diff)
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julien51 aaronpk do you know if the loqi bot can be set to post RSS feeds? I'm thinking this would make things much easier to test PubSubHubbub for indieweb installs.
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aaronpk yea I was thinking about that, it would be awesome
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aaronpk Loqi is based on ZenIRCBot (https://github.com/zenirc) and it's pretty easy to write (search for zen here https://github.com/aaronpk?tab=repositories)
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aaronpk I still need to move Freenode Loqi over to Zen (he's still running perl) but this would be a great excuse to do so
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aaronpk it would be not too hard to write a service that could subscribe to a hub and receive the web hooks for feed updates
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julien51 aaronpk I'd love to help with that, let me know if you need anything.
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aaronpk julien51: awesome! how's your node.js?
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julien51 aaronpk: it's ok I guess :)
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aaronpk well chances are someone's made a PuSH library for node
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aaronpk heh of course the first hit in google is this question you answered :) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13052810/pubsubhubbub-library-for-nodejs
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julien51 aaronpk AFAIK there is no great library because it's so easy to handle and libraries would still have to let the user setup a couple things.
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aaronpk oh? interesting. found a couple but haven't looked at the code yet to see what they do https://nodejsmodules.org/tags/pubsubhubbub
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aaronpk this one's API looks reasonable tho https://github.com/andris9/pubsubhubbub
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aaronpk i should probably just re-read the spec and see what it actually takes again
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Loqi fo sho
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julien51 yup, but in practice, that's all what's needed: https://gist.github.com/julien51/5724362
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julien51 (assumes a connect/express app)
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aaronpk the verify is the GET route?
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julien51 yes
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aaronpk i forget how they do the verify. you're just supposed to send back what they send in the query string?
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julien51 kind of, just serve a 200 and echo hub.challenge
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aaronpk ok that's easier than I thought :)
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aaronpk that's a great bit of sample code thx
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julien51 that is if you accept the subscription of course, but that logic is internal :) you may want to add some kind of verification mechanism
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aaronpk ah gotcha
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julien51 also in this sample, we put the feed url in the callback for easier tracking, but you can obviously put anything you want in the url, we usually recommend putting as much state as possible in the callback url. For example, you can put the irc #channel in there too so you don't have to do a look up by feed when you get notifications… etc
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aaronpk good thinking
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julien51 also, this is not "secure" because obviously if someone guesses your callback urls they'll be able to post to the channel, but of course you can add that on top with secrets and signature verification :)
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julien51 put that can probably come later. onions FTW!
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aaronpk suppose at the very least I can just put a long random token in the callback URL
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julien51 aaronpk: true, and if you use https for it and the hub, that should be good enough
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aaronpk agreed
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aaronpk ok well that shouldn't take too long actually
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aaronpk the longest part will be porting the rest of loqi over to zenirc bot first
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Loqi is done
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aaronpk oh actually the longest part will be handling all the failure cases :)
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aaronpk no <link> tag found, invalid hub address, etc etc
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bret https://medium.com/what-i-learned-building/99fdd6e46586 Twitter’s Bootstrap's standardization of HTML syntax? Seems like he overlooked microdata
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aaronpk i don't think that's exactly what he meant
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aaronpk sounds like he's talking about the html syntax used to build UI elements, not to structure data
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bret i thought that was bad form to have styling in your html
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aaronpk not styling
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aaronpk like, what html goes into form components. check out the examples here http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/base-css.html#forms
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aaronpk particularly, http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5333/8972463075_8c218932cf_o.png
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aaronpk also the dropdowns here http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/components.html#dropdowns
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bret hrrmm i see
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aaronpk i have to call around to find a place that will do drink tickets or tab
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aaronpk hopefully bailey's but not sure
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bret What would it take to get their tap list /recent checkin screen indiweb friendly?
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bret :]
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aaronpk that isn't online anywhere, is it?
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aaronpk i know the guy who makes the screen though
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bret im not sure
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@shawndrape @gojeffcho @Verge Huh. Makes the desire for the #indieweb and personally owned servers much more reasonable.
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