#indiewebcamp 2013-02-26

2013-02-26 UTC
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tantek should we start a wiki listing all the people publicly quitting various silos?
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tantek e.g. http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/opinion/rushkoff-why-im-quitting-facebook/index.html
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tantek wiki *page
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tantek is this interesting? useful? insightful? inspiring? inciting?
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aaronpk like http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths for people?
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aaronpk yea that'd be great!
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tantek silo-quits?
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aaronpk i'm surprised we don't have this page already: http://indiewebcamp.com/who
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tantek create it!
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tantek would it be a roster of everyone who's been to an indiewebcamp with an active indieweb site?
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tantek a summary of each "class" as it were?
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tantek post all the photos!
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aaronpk we already have the guest list for each year that covers that
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tantek sure but a summary directory of sorts would be nice
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aaronpk ah yes, misread.
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tantek that way someone new showing up would could see who's involved
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aaronpk not with years
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tantek years merely parenthetical after the person's name
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aaronpk sure
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tantek but a flat list would be better
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tantek.com edited /silo (+139) "Silo Quitting" (view diff)
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aaronpk kind of like the "sites built using ____" pages http://middlemanapp.com/community/built-using-middleman/
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aaronpk https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll/wiki/Sites
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tantek sure - but only for those who have participated in an IndieWebCamp
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tantek we could add a section for remote only participants perhaps
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tantek who haven't made it to an indiewebcamp in person
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tantek yet
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aaronpk i wouldn't even distinguish that
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aaronpk the guest list already does that
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tantek I would distinguish in-person vs. remote just because there's a very different level of trust afforded to meeting people in person
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tantek plus that way it's clear who is on the /who page and why
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aaronpk hmm true
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tantek.com created /silo-quits (+508) "stub with Douglas Rushkoff quitting Facebook" (view diff)
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tantek as opposed to just being a list of "here are random cool people in the insiders club or something"
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tantek ok, silo-quits stubbed - time for a snack.
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tantek and coffee
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@dasmart Ok, I have some @appdotnet invites. #ownyourdata
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@IndieWebCampUK @sophiedennis @barnabywalters @laurakalbag be sure to follow @IndieWebCampUK as well! We'll announce more here about http://t.co/35HjVTxcPL.
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@indiewebcamp RT @jedahan: love the indieweb principles http://indiewebcamp.com/principles , especially the last one bout keeping it fun.
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@t 2 critical #indieweb related articles: Quitting Facebook http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/opinion/rushkoff-why-im-quitting-facebook &amp
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Loqi Diaspora Lessons http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/diaspora-lessons/ (ttk.me t4Ng4)
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tantek Hey Loqi, you're overescaping that ampersand (still). cc: aaronpk
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Loqi :)
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@Johannes_Ernst RT @t: 2 critical #indieweb related articles: Quitting Facebook http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/opinion/rushkoff-why-im-quitting-facebook &amp
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Loqi Diaspora Lessons http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/diaspora-lessons/ (tt ...
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@indiewebcamp RT @BarnabyWalters: @laurakalbag no, no, no, the #indieweb web is the future :) Not any one silo. (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1001/)
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@xavez Your own, private Dropbox. http://owncloud.org/ #ownyourdata
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@cast42 “@xavez: Your own, private Dropbox. http://owncloud.org/ #ownyourdata” iets voor @kaosbeat ?
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@kaosbeat @cast42 @xavez opensource, the only futureproof licence #ownyourdata and it has encryption!
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@evlist RT @t: 2 critical #indieweb related articles: Quitting Facebook http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/opinion/rushkoff-why-im-quitting-facebook &amp
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Loqi Diaspora Lessons http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/diaspora-lessons/ (tt ...
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 2/25 at 2:44pm: you should in particular check out the text selection UI on this article: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112485/aaron-swartz-profile-internet-will-never-save-you - what would be a good "webactions" solution, as well as what would an "indieweb" link/button look like?
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tantek hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters Evening tantek
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barnabywalters That was a great article, and the selection UI is something I’ve wanted to do for ages but wasn’t sure if it was possible
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barnabywalters Quoting blog posts is stupidly hard - a lot of friction
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barnabywalters Copy/paste URL, text, author name, URL, put in a h-card with h-cite… it can all be automated
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barnabywalters With web actions and D&D
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tantek I like the design of UI that shows up once you select the text
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tantek I'm thinking of extending my citation UI to support that
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tantek the little input boxes and the bottom of my blog posts
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barnabywalters My thoughts: use the selection and range Apis to give arbitrary node selections drag handles, augmented with h cite and h card
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tantek *at the
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barnabywalters So I’ll build this all into the new version of the web actions extension
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barnabywalters Which I’m probably calling the web action hero toolbelt
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barnabywalters As I’ve got rather a lot of functionality planned
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barnabywalters !tell erinjo reading your web actions and button sluts article, great UI brainstorming, how important do you consider the "not leaving the page whilst action in progress" aspect?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell her that when I see her next
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barnabywalters Loqi, how do you tell what gender a particular name is?
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tantek barnabywalters - IMO, it's pretty important to not leave the page while action is in progress
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barnabywalters tantek: What about opening a new mini window as twitters intents do?
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barnabywalters Or opening a new window generally?
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tantek the mini new window seems fairly unobtrusive. I'd try and see what Twitter's tweet actions (their term!) do on mobile.
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barnabywalters Their terminology is a little inconsistent
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tantek of course it is. anything to do with "web intents" is inconsistent. that's the problem.
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barnabywalters I think they open a new tab, or whatever similar idiom the browser uses
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tantek it's clear people at Twitter had different opinions and no one opinion "won"
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barnabywalters At the moment my fork of indieweb reply is just opening a new tab
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barnabywalters Will probably let user configure it in WA toolbelt
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tantek makes sense
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barnabywalters Got to go now, session buddies here :)
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Loqi erinjo: barnabywalters left you a message 1 hour ago: reading your web actions and button sluts article, great UI brainstorming, how important do you consider the "not leaving the page whilst action in progress" aspect?
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erinjo !tell barnabywalters In general for interactions that are fairly small and limited to just one or a few steps it's best to keep people on the original page if it's likely they'll still want to see that page. You'll see it in other bookmark, favorite, login, zoom, etc type actions. In a scenario where someone was reading an article, and wanted to email it to a friend, if that action could be accomplished through an overlay, drop down,
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erinjo popup, etc, I think in many cases it's preferred over navigating to a new page, and then having to navigate back to the article.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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