#indiewebcamp 2013-02-12

2013-02-12 UTC
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tantek waits for gwenbell to make an edit on the wiki ;)
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gwenbell aaronpk: are you playing around with node at all?
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aaronpk a bit
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gwenbell i'm looking through your bookmarks, we share a lot of interests - i ran across isotope through: http://facesofnyfw.com/
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gwenbell aaronpk: how does replies work with the little photos popping up?
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gwenbell I'm talking about this: http://aaronparecki.com/replies with Ken's face on the reply
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aaronpk ah that's a users.txt file I have on my server that maps usernames to name/domain/photo URL
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gwenbell Is it " permashortlinks back to originals on his own site" --> in other words, this is a working implementation of posse?
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aaronpk i plan to automate populating the file, but for now it's manual
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gwenbell ahh gotcha
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aaronpk yep my site is a POSSE implementation
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gwenbell aaronpk: so can your posse talk with, say, caseorganics?
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gwenbell like, can you cross-platform send/receive replies?
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tantek gwenbell - I think we're still figuring out the direct peer-to-peer indieweb interactions
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tantek though pingback and basing things on pingback seems promising
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aaronpk replies are an interesting problem. right now i'm receiving replies via pingback, but not sending them out yet.
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tantek whereas salmon has been too difficult to scale sustainably
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tantek and maintain etc.
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gwenbell tantek: i haven't played with salmon
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aaronpk don't :)
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aaronpk pingback is nice because it's a lightweight protocol and doesn't try to actually send reply data, it's just "hey this URL mentioned this other URL you might be interested in", then you can go look at what's at the other URL and parse it however you want, probably looking for microformats
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tantek the more research I do into the code of conduct thing the more interesting things I find, e.g. http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/06/14/sexual-harassment-and-the-opensf-conference-code-of-conduct/
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bnvk whoa
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bnvk on a totally unrelated (but on topic for this chan) note, checkout this project http://bnvk.me/zl8
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tantek bnvk - actually, no
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tantek the rel-logo / svg thing has been debunked a while ago
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tantek we already have both rel=icon and hCard for anything more structured
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aaronpk oh yea that made the rounds in 2011
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tantek requiring a particular format for a rel value is also a layer violation
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tantek aaronpk - was it that long ago? yikes.
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aaronpk late 2011 i think
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tantek bnvk: here you go, rejection documented: http://microformats.org/wiki/rejected-formats#Logo
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aaronpk p.s. that was the first place I checked :) I linked to that in the comment thread on hackernews too http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5197985
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tantek aaronpk - sad how profoundly uninformed the hackernews masses / comments are and how little the average person there tries to research anything
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tantek it's almost all about one-upmanship
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aaronpk that's a good analysis of it
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tantek not really much (if any) better than slashdot
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tantek this is why I find hackernews ignorable
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tantek would be interested to see a hackernews rebuild that required indieauth to sign-in and post
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tantek and frankly, required indieweb posts with pingback to hackernews in order to post
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aaronpk yea, I mostly skim the headlines (via IRC, ##hackernews on freenode) to keep a pulse on what's going on
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aaronpk tantek: that is an awesome idea!!
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aaronpk indienews
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tantek oh damn - just build it :)
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aaronpk i've already got the pingback part done, it has an API now that could be used to populate the stories :)
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tantek *and* the comments
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aaronpk hah totally
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aaronpk that would actually be a really useful tool for testing peoples' implementations of stuff as they're building it
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tantek that's my point. all posts, both original and comments can only be done by signing-in with indieauth and then posting something via pingback
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aaronpk wait why do you need to sign in at all then?
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tantek it's like, if you can't do that, you don't deserve to call yourself a hacker on the web :P
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aaronpk oh, upvotes?
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tantek (which I realize then applies to most (all?) of us still, since we don't have this all working end to end yet)
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tantek upvotes would probably be ok with just indieauth sign-in
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aaronpk end-to-end is the goal, but at least we've all built and are using various pieces
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tantek right
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tantek and if it resulted in a higher quality hackernews, it would trounce hackernews the same way that hackernews trounced digg
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tantek you could always POSSE out from indienews to hackernews and then ignore the hackernews commentary followups
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tantek hands bnvk a mug of skepticism tea to sip before calling something a "Really useful project" in the future ;)
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aaronpk mmm tasty
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tantek considers marking up the ufs.cc/w/rel-logo page in hReview so it shows up on Google with a rich snippet
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tantek 0 stars
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aaronpk omg that's awesome, do it please
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aaronpk think if i made a similar page on my site it would also show up?
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tantek.com created /code-of-conduct-examples (+2244) "draft with example code of conduct(s), recent incidents, related page for more on the subject" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - yes
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tantek very likely
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct-examples (+208) "Mozilla Community Participation Guidelines, header expansions" (view diff)
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@t drafting an @IndieWebCamp Code of Conduct. Step 1, research: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (re: #SpeakingUp and taking action). (ttk.me t4NT4)
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@bencrox RT @t: drafting an @IndieWebCamp Code of Conduct. Step 1, research: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (re: #SpeakingUp and taking action). (ttk.me t4NT4)
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@cstanhope RT @tantekcom drafting an @IndieWebCamp Code of Conduct. Step 1, research: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (re: #SpeakingUp and taking action).
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@youngmero1 @cstanhope @tantekcom @IndieWebCamp #SpeakingUp
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bnvk Loqi: !tell tantek Ahh, thanks for the info about rel="logo" being rejected. The reasoning makes sense.
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Loqi woot!
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@taotsu RT @t: drafting an @IndieWebCamp Code of Conduct. Step 1, research: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (re: #SpeakingUp and taking action). (ttk.me t4NT4)
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@gusseting RT @t: drafting an @indiewebcamp Code of Conduct. Step 1, research: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (re: #SpeakingUp and taking action). (ttk.me t4NT4)
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@eschnou RT @julien51: If you own a blog and think it's your most valuable online asset, I want your feedback on http://www.subtome.com/ #indieweb
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@michielbdejong RT @julien51: If you own a blog and think it's your most valuable online asset, I want your feedback on http://www.subtome.com/ #indieweb
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@superfeedr "@julien51: If you own a blog and think it's your most valuable online asset, I want your feedback on http://www.subtome.com/ #indieweb"
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@bloggymorgan RT @t: drafting an @IndieWebCamp Code of Conduct. Step 1, research: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (re: #SpeakingUp and taking action). (ttk.me t4NT4)
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gwenbell.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+308) "/* Creators */ Add self to guest list" (view diff)
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk "I know AS is very popular with some folks on this list so I hope not to offend. It's a system I like, but I like to take a more holistic approach and look at the bigger picture, which includes linked data, open graph protocol, tent.io and some other promising projects."
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Loqi The #indiewebcamp IRC channel is 2 years old today! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2011-02-12
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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 1/1/13 at 9:36pm
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@Trustyd New white paper on #PrivateCloud #Backup http://trustydofficial.blogspot.com/2013/02/advantages-of-private-cloud-backup.html written by @Ryan_Koch #Trustyd #OwnYourData
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@Ryan_Koch RT @Trustyd: New white paper on #PrivateCloud #Backup http://trustydofficial.blogspot.com/2013/02/advantages-of-private-cloud-backup.html written by @Ryan_Koch #Trustyd #OwnYourData
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tantek Hey a "white paper"! How quaint. ;)