#indiewebcamp 2012-11-17

2012-11-17 UTC
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tantek
aaronpk - is this the origin of the * all the * meme graphic that Loqi uses? http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/06/this-is-why-ill-never-be-adult.html
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aaronpk
tantek: yes lol!
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tommorris
388,214 once-shortened now dead URLs revived! http://archive.org/details/urlbat
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tommorris
put the announcement up too: http://tommorris.org/posts/2504
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tantek
nicely done tommorris
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tantek
have folks seen the newly updated http://identengine.com/ ? From what I can tell it's a complete replacement for the Google Social Graph API's rel=me functionality, except that it's also *open source*.
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tommorris
oh nice
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tantek
e.g. try putting your personal URL into any of the demos
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tantek
I think identengine.com aligns nicely with the whole POSSE way of thinking, and should be able to be used to verify and/or discover both where you're POSSE'ing out to and where your primary site is.
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tommorris
that's pretty useful. I was thinking of trying to build some kind of indieweb tweetish RSS reader.
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barnabywalters
oh that’s cool. a finished version of openfollow
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tantek
with any of your identities (e.g. I tried my Twitter URL), and it *should* come back with what it thinks is your primary URL/identity.
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barnabywalters
tommorris: oh dear, you’re going to beat me to it ;)
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tantek
"The most important site that represents this is person would seem to be: http://tantek.com/."
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tommorris
yep, finding tommorris.org for twitter.com/tommorris
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tantek
sweet
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tantek
this feels like an essential indieweb discovery building block
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tantek
given any URL for a person, what's their primary / indieweb URL?
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tommorris
well, imagine an indieweb microblog-design feed reader. someone says "oh, I'm blabla on Twitter". tap it in, subscribe to their website instead. ;-)
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tantek
bingo
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tommorris
so, the current way I'm trying to do the indieweb thing is to work out what commercial services I'm using, then just trying to think of the easiest way to replace them with my own personal site is.
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tommorris
so, GetGlue is an interesting one. it's a checkin app but for media. you can checkin to TV, movies, music, books, magazines, video games or even "thinking about" a particular topic.
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tommorris
for a while, I've used it to track what movies I've watched. that seems like an eminently cloneable thing given we have a pretty decent source of movie data: Wikipedia/Dbpedia.
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tommorris
and Wikipedia should also do TV, video games and albums.
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tantek
indeed
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tantek
do they have an API so you can syndicate your indieweb media "check-ins" into their site with a permalink in a "comment" on your "checkin" that links back to the original "post" on your indieweb site?
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@BarnabyWalters
http://identengine.com/ is an amazing social graph API for the #indieweb. Great work @glennjones! (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/566)
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tommorris
they do have an API
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tantek
or even better if you could just them to subscribe to your "media check-in" updates from your own site via PuSH
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tantek
but a bespoke API is better than nothing I suppose
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tommorris
there's loads of things I need to work on for tommorris.org, but most of my attention has been on work project recently. but I hit 2,500 posts in my posts table. ;-)
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barnabywalters
tommorris: I saw in your URLs :) congratulations!
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tantek
tommorris - are you going to http://uxcampbrighton2012.eventbrite.co.uk/ ? I'm curious if there's going to be any indieweb discussions there.
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tantek
wow 2500 posts on your own site! great!
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tantek
does that include old posts that you've ported over?
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tommorris
most of those were imports from a twitter XML dump I had from a while back
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tommorris
I haven't yet ported Tumblr over
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barnabywalters
tommorris: how many do you have on tumblr?
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barnabywalters
I assume they are of a longer length in general
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tantek
that process of importing dumps from silo sites is probably worth writing up
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tantek
I know I would benefit from seeing how others do it.
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tommorris
yeah, and open sourcing the scripts.
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tantek
perhaps even in a "how to move to the indie web" kind of page on the wiki
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tommorris
mostly what I've been doing is building an importer function into the Rails app, then dumping the XML or JSON into the Public/ folder on Dropbox, then pointing my server to those XML files.
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tantek
perhaps as part of Getting Started - since a lot (most?) already have content in silos to port over
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barnabywalters
tommorris: you made a comment recently about not being able to use the twitter API to get beyond 32,000 tweets. As we’re in europe, we are entitled to our entire history, but I don’t know if it’s in a very useful format
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tantek
even if we just document each of our own one-off approaches, maybe someone can learn and improve upon them
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tommorris
barnabywalters: not even 32,000. 3,200!
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barnabywalters
tommorris: that’s the one ;)
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tommorris
Twitter's original excuse is that it was a limitation of their MySQL backend that they'd fix once they'd moved over to their new DB
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tantek
tommorris re-ping re: are you going to http://uxcampbrighton2012.eventbrite.co.uk/ ?
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tommorris
I'm not, but I could do
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tantek
I think Glenn Jones is going
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@glennjones
Just signed up for UXCampBrighton http://t.co/NqZi9LQn still a few tickets left #uxcb12
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tantek
given that UX is such a big part of what we need to improve on the indieweb, it might be worth it
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tommorris
what the hell, sounds like a good idea
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tantek
barnabywalters - it's a one day event, you might be interested too
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barnabywalters
tantek: I still haven’t quite got my head round exactly what UX people do, so it would be an education :)
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tantek
that's certainly worth doing!
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barnabywalters
unfortunately I’m doing a gig on that day :(
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tommorris
5,748 posts on Tumblr to move over...
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barnabywalters
tommorris: woah!
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tommorris
that's gonna be fun.
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tommorris
so, the reason I've been putting off doing that is the URL routing. basically, I need to setup a way of forwarding the URLs. and maybe preserving the comments.
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tommorris
fortunately, the Tumblr stuff is on blog.tommorris.org, so I can just build a redirector
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tantek
these sound like good challenges to note
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tantek
tommorris - I know Ben Ward was trying to do something similar for his Tumblr
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tommorris
heh, the last post on the Tumblr site is a post about IndieWebCamp.
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tommorris
I'd quite like to take the "likes" and "reblogs" from Tumblr too.
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tantek
seem appropriate
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tantek.com
created /Tumblr (+235) "stub with a few challenges"
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tommorris
so, the nice thing with the Tumblr API is you don't need to authenticate to use v1 of the API
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tantek.com
edited /Tumblr (+23) "reblogs"
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barnabywalters
interesting: tumblr sites with custom domains fail if requested over https
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barnabywalters
tommorris: oh, that’s cool
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tommorris
which gives you JSONP rather than JSON
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barnabywalters
I wish safari would format JSON like it does XML
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tommorris
barnabywalters: I know there's a Chrome plugin and maybe a Firefox plugin that pretty-prints and syntax highlights JSON
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barnabywalters
looks in extensions.safari
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tommorris
`curl {url} | python -mjson.tool` is pretty handy. just a built in tool in Python that pretty prints JSON
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tantek.com
created /Twitter (+717) "stub with a few challenges, suggestions"
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tommorris.org
edited /Tumblr (+146) "adding API"
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tantek.com
edited /Getting_Started (+359) "night, Port old silo content to your site"
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barnabywalters
"Twitter has an API for getting replies to a particular tweet" — does it? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2693553/replies-to-a-particular-tweet-twitter-api
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barnabywalters
this is a problem I had before. related_results is highly unreliable and unofficial
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tantek
barnabywalters - add that to the wiki page!
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /Twitter (+376) "/* Challenges */ Added disputes about quality and usefulness of twitter API"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /Twitter (-7) "/* Challenges */ Corrected retweet dispute, added doc link"
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tommorris.org
edited /Tumblr (+182) "/* How to */ added subsection on mapping Tumblr post types to ActivityStreams"
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barnabywalters
tommorris: are you using ActivityStreams for internal representation of your data?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: no, but it's easy enough to map my systems to it
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tantek.com
edited /Tumblr (+83) "link ActivityStreams"
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tantek
barnabywalters, tommorris re: "are you using ActivityStreams…" - see and add to: http://indiewebcamp.com/ActivityStreams#Indieweb_perspectives
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /Twitter (+481) "/* Challenges */ Added link to European legal entitlement"
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barnabywalters
tantek: I have gone halves with activitystreams. I have no interest in using the actor-verb-object model either internally or user-facing, but it is useful to have a standardised interface to social “objects”
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barnabywalters
tantek: no, I am not even doing that any more ;) Articles store their own edit history
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barnabywalters
I no longer maintain an `activity` listing/table
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tantek
good to know. update? ;)
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barnabywalters
too great a pain/value ratio
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barnabywalters
yep, I will update it, plus thoughts on standard interfaces
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /ActivityStreams (+282) "/* Verbs vs just posts */"
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tommorris
so, I've fixed my Atom feed, so the articles have the ActivityStream article type and the notes have the note type
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barnabywalters
the link to the application is broken
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barnabywalters
…and as that was their latest blog post, doesn’t look like anything’s come of it
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barnabywalters
thinkup is quite a slick app, and does a good job at back-porting tweets, facebook updates and G+ data
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barnabywalters
but I have heard both nickcharlton and aaronpk complain about it’s archival format
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barnabywalters
still, the crawlers may be of use to back-porters
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barnabywalters
I might try it with my facebook data, when I’m 18 and FB finally let me have proper access to their API :/
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