#indiewebcamp 2012-09-02

2012-09-02 UTC
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zztr I just stumbled upon Higgins http://www.eclipse.org/higgins/ anybody have opinions about this?
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@glennjones Looking forward to a full week of conference going @reasonsfestival, @skillswap, @dconstruct and @indiewebcamp its going to be a mad week
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@glennjones If your interested in owning your own identity/content on the web then sign up for IndieWebCamp event http://t.co/bxHeZBk6
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@BarnabyWalters @glennjones btw there's an @IndieWebCampUK twitter account now, and #indiewebcamp tweets get pulled to the IRC channel. See you there!
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barnabywalters brennannovak: going to make tea and some jam, then have a crack at the SI installer
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brennannovak barnabywalters: sounds like a plan, man!
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aaronpk brennannovak: http://aaronparecki.com/AaronPareckiCA.crt
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@mattjones Great to see the Mirror Project back online http://t.co/SOB8AXaI @hchamp #indieweb
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barnabywalters brennannovak: just about to get started with SI. what were the issues you mentioned?
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brennannovak barnabywalters: ok, so... aaronpk: mentioned that most shared hosting environments don't allow (non root) MySQL users to create new databases
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barnabywalters yep, that's true
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barnabywalters so are we just saying 'enter db info'?
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brennannovak so we'd have to have a "attempt to create database" step in addition to manually entering the name... SO, it might not be worth it to do that aspect of the installer and just focus on giving user feedback throughout
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brennannovak yah
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barnabywalters would using sqlite be a possibility?
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barnabywalters that would hugely simplify (i.e. remove an entire step of) the installation
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barnabywalters I forgot whether or not CI supports sqlite
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brennannovak barnabywalters: hrm.... i'm not sure actually. I've never used SQLite
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brennannovak If CI db abstraction layer handles that.... sure in "theory" it would work
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barnabywalters me neither. are you using CI's active record abstraction all over SI?
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barnabywalters relevant wiki page: https://github.com/EllisLab/CodeIgniter/wiki/SQLite3 https://github.com/EllisLab/CodeIgniter/wiki/SQLite
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barnabywalters probably best not to worry about it for the mo, but could be useful to add in the future as a *really* quick installation option
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tantek one week til @IndieWebCampUK!
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barnabywalters tantek: woo! v. excited
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tantek totally!
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tantek we need to promote it some more to other indieweb folks who might not know about it
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brennannovak barnabywalters: yes, i'm using the CI active record abstraction everywhere
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barnabywalters brennannovak: fab, so SQLite might be a possibility as a future "really, really quick install" option
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barnabywalters just tried another SI clean install, and it's failing on the db setup step again
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barnabywalters going to branch and add debug info
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brennannovak what server are you using?
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barnabywalters debian w. apache
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tantek btw aaronpk - does Loqi know to search for "IndieWebCampUK" in tweets?
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Loqi who, me?
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tantek yes you Loqi, what's your Twitter query?
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barnabywalters tantek: it's really interesting how we're all responding to loqi's little quips. we know it's not going to respond with anything meaningful, and yet we continue to have little conversations with him
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tantek I'm always hoping aaronpk has added more secret AI to Loqi, so I keep asking him (it?) stuff.
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barnabywalters I think asking for a 'twitter query' is a bit of a shot in the dark ;)
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barnabywalters although you never know — aaronpk added !standards v. quickly
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tantek if nothing else, aaronpk can search the logs for utterances from Loqi followed immediately by a question from someone else that mentions Loqi, and mine those questions for potential AI extension points so Loqi answers more questions in the future.
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barnabywalters tru
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barnabywalters e
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tantek could do a lot simply with keyword / keyphrase recognition.
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tantek e.g. did someone ask a question that mentioned "Twitter query" ? then explain what my current Twitter query does / handles for this channel.
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barnabywalters that would be so cool
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aaronpk I have been known to add features to loqi that way :)
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tantek.com edited /2012/UK/Guest_List (+0) "/* Official Guest List */ counts" (view diff)
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@t just one week until @IndieWebCampUK! Have your own site, want to do more? Join us 9/9 in Brighton http://t.co/XW0ooS07 (ttk.me t4Kk1)
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@IndieWebCampUK Awesome! @IndieWebCampUK is now part of the 2012 Brighton Digital Festival (@DigitalBrighton #BDF12) http://t.co/jodVDcHM
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barnabywalters brennannovak: turns out the installer script doesn't have the required permissions to modify the config files
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barnabywalters that's what's causing the installer to silently fail
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brennannovak barnabywalters: right, that is another problem with the installer... some hosts that works on, other it does not!
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barnabywalters adding as an issue
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brennannovak great
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tantek thanks aaronpk - just in time :D
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barnabywalters with associated error messages
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barnabywalters tantek: who is it controlling @indiewebcampUK?
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tantek I made the account, but am willing to share with any other indiewebcampuk folks
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barnabywalters tantek: I'm not hugely fussed about posting there (would rather post on my site!) but might be handy for me to have access so I can handle any questions/etc as I'm in a UK timezone
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barnabywalters brennannovak: okay, so for the mo we just need to add instructions to chmod the config files
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brennannovak yah
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brennannovak or the /application/config folder specifically
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barnabywalters yep
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barnabywalters I'll edit and push
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brennannovak great
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barnabywalters hmm, I ran chown -R www-data application/config/ but it's still not working right
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aaronpk it worked when I did chmod 777 application/config
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barnabywalters okay, it managed to change all the files
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barnabywalters but the installer is still failing silently
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Loqi http://loqi.me/4z0
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barnabywalters I'm not getting any php errors in error.log
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barnabywalters Loqi: x all the y always cheers me up :)
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barnabywalters brennannovak: on my local server (OS X apache MAMP) the default ../system system path doesn't work, whereas 'system' and '/
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barnabywalters './system' work fine
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brennannovak yes this is something that needs to be handled in a bundler
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barnabywalters is there not a path which will work across platforms?
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aaronpk it depends on where you put the system repo
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barnabywalters aaronpk: the install instructions say put it in the project root (standard CI system location) but the default fails for that
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aaronpk ah then the install instructions should use './system' probably
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brennannovak barnabywalters: yes this is a quirky issue, I think we need to make index.php be git ignored and choose the default to be the the 'system' folder located in the application folder
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barnabywalters pushed default system dir and instructions changes
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barnabywalters brennannovak: okay, finally managed to get an install working
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barnabywalters turns out my local server wasn't allowing my root mysql account to access the db for some reason
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barnabywalters so I will add some info to the docs RE installation
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brennannovak barnabywalters: great! Glad you got it working.
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barnabywalters app install is failing for me, but I'll get some error reporting happening on the install first
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barnabywalters better to give an actual error message than to fail silently!
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barnabywalters getting late here now, I'm signing off
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