#indiewebcamp 2012-06-28

2012-06-28 UTC
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@Johannes_Ernst IndieWebCamp in Portland this weekend. Wish I could go. Own your own URL. Wonder where I heard that before. http://t.co/lnSFKUr3 #pcloud
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dreev.es edited /2012/Guest_List (+269) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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dreev.es created /User:Dreev.es (+149) "Created page with "Hello world. http://dreev.es I create stuff at <a href="http://beeminder.com">Beeminder</a> and <a href="http://messymatters.com">Messy Matters</a>."" (view diff)
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dreev.es edited /User:Dreev.es (-38) (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2012/Guest_List (-2) "count++" (view diff)
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Loqi spots--
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aaronpk considering using jekyll again for my site
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aaronpk it's a lot different than when I first looked at it
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tantek aaronpk - oh cool
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tantek any luck with the indieauth problem?
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aaronpk the openid glitch?
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aaronpk I couldn't figure it out the other day. I suspect a nonce/timing issue.
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tantek hmm
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tantek was repro on my site earlier
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aaronpk I also have an awesome idea for a better UX when logging in too
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aaronpk unfortunately it's going to require a major rearchitecting of the code
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aaronpk but it should end up being a better experience and also less prone to errors
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www.idreamofdesign.com edited /2012/Guest_List (-471) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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tantek I'm going to create regrets section like we had for last year
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tantek for folks that couldn't make it
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aaronpk great
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tantek odd about the openid thing - I'm still seeing "Internal Server Error"
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tantek on this URL: http://indieauth.com/auth?me=tantek.com&redirect_uri=http%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3AIndieAuth%26returnto%3D2012
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aaronpk can you do it one more time? i'll watch the logs
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aaronpk oh! wow... I found it
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tantek great! what was it?
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aaronpk really silly
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aaronpk it was trying to fetch your "aim:goim?screenname=tantekc" link
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aaronpk and I was only catching certain types of errors
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tantek.com edited /2012/Guest_List (+698) "add regrets section, move Andi there accordingly" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: alright try again
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tantek works!
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aaronpk great
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tantek what was it?
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aaronpk see 6 lines above ^^
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tantek.com edited /2012 (+382) "Friday night pre-party" (view diff)
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@julien51 @adambrault IndieWebCamp + customer meetings!
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tantek oh
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tantek.com edited /projects (+850) "more questions, personal sites?, relmeauth in use, added abandoned section, ooava domain abandoned, glow no updates in 11 months, subsite times out." (view diff)
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barnabywalters Just drafting an article about web intents…
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barnabywalters much as I want them to exist, I can't help but think that the interface would be best left to the browser
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barnabywalters the current spec has us place intent buttons where we want to do what we want, which is just as open to abuse as the current social sharing button mess
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barnabywalters surely the browser should use MF or similar to figure out the content types on the page, then present UI configurable by the user to match which services they subscribe to?
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@teejayvanslyke @caseorganic Hi! So I'm coming to IndieWebCamp and would love to present on building microstartups.
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singpolyma barnabywalters: yes. definitely. all the "web intents" stuff is just talking about stuff that the User Agent should be doing
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singpolyma for example: bookmarking and sending a link via email are both things most User Agents support now
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barnabywalters sans service choice, of course
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barnabywalters What do you think of this as a rough UI mockup? http://public.waterpigs.co.uk/images/intents/article-safari-mockup.png
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barnabywalters Similar things could be provided inline, as well
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barnabywalters similar to OS X services — highlighted text offers a menu to share, hovering over an image offers a menu to share to whatever service
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barnabywalters something like twitter's @anywhere offers message/add to/whatever intents to inline @mentions of people and hcards
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barnabywalters it would all be quite straightforward to do for browser manufacturers. I don't know how simple it would be as an extension
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singpolyma barnabywalters: +1
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singpolyma in Firefox you could do it as an extension
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tantek @teejayvanslyke, what does a building a microstartup have to do with the indie web? Maybe that would be a better session for the #osbridge unconference/barcamp tomorrow at the Eliot Center? cc: caseorganic aaronpk
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singpolyma other browsers are less fully-integrated
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barnabywalters I know there is a web intents extension for chrome
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barnabywalters not sure exactly how feature-filled/production-ready it is
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tantek barnabywalters - I think they've focused on the wrong aspects of the problem
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tantek see my blog post on the subject: http://tantek.com/2011/220/b1/web-actions-a-new-building-block
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barnabywalters ch, haven't seen that yet, reading…
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barnabywalters @erinjo's UI example is much nicer than mine, if less detailed and still contained within the webpage: http://www.flatfrogblog.com/2011/08/07/web-actions/
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barnabywalters good god, is there really a fax: URI scheme? That's hideous
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barnabywalters tantek: apart from immediate implementation, are there any significant benefits to sites providing their own web action CTAs?
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tantek CTA?
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barnabywalters Unless they are somehow enforced and/or proxies to a native service, I would have thought they'll just cause inconsistencies
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barnabywalters buttons
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barnabywalters or whatever else they choose
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barnabywalters as opposed to the user agent providing the interface, I meant
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tantek hard to answer in abstract - in general the only thing you can say is that sites having the freedom to decide their UI helps them provide a better specific experience than anything generic
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tantek the problem is we need more people experimenting with both
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tantek no amount of theoretical discussion will provide a good answer on this
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barnabywalters hopefully we might see a peak in interest at IWC?
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tantek and you won't be able to theoretically reason against one or the other
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tantek e.g. any reasoning like "any significant benefits to …" (as opposed to)
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tantek part of the point of IndieWebCamp is - we don't know - try it yourself on your *own site* - see how it feels to *you* on *your site* - get feedback from people you trust, iterate.
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tantek and avoid dictating design decisions to others that you yourself haven't tried
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tantek on your own site
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barnabywalters sure — I've always found order from chaos provides excellent solutions
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barnabywalters It shouldn't be too tricky to make a browser extension that approximates what I've mocked up
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@BarnabyWalters Test post to Twitter from the Safari URI bar, RE #indieweb web actions
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barnabywalters the twitter:// uri scheme works on desktop safari as well as mobile safari
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barnabywalters so URI schemes are my path of least resistance to native client sharing
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barnabywalters no way to classify them, but that can be done manually
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barnabywalters Need to go shopping now :( Bye for the mo
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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benatkin aaronpk: is there anything at http://id.benatkin.com/ that should work with IndieAuth? says "No valid authentication providers were found at http://id.benatkin.com"
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benatkin aaronpk: I'm using benatkin.com with GitHub auth and it works now
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benatkin just something you might check to make it more robust
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tantek.com moved /web_actions to /webactions
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aaronparecki.com created /2012/Rise_of_the_Indie_Web (+2366) "notes from osbridge session" (view diff)