#indiewebcamp 2012-06-06
2012-06-06 UTC
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barnabywalters re pingbacks/trackbacks: I wonder how/if current implementations deal with short links
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# barnabywalters what about pingback headers?
# barnabywalters would they have to be included in the headers for the shortlink?
# barnabywalters I assume not, provided the client handled the redirect alright
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singpolyma Trackbacks respect redirects, because it's basically just a POST. As long as your client will allow POST redirects
# singpolyma I don't know what pingbacks want. They a big uglier (XML-RPC)
# barnabywalters hey singpolyma - yep, but pingbacks have the advantage of being more spam resistant
# barnabywalters singpolyma: I was thinking about something you said yesterday and realised I only half understood it - about value-class-pattern being orthogonal and not related to properties and semantics
# singpolyma pingbacks are only more spam resistant because they're harder to actually use
# singpolyma sure, value-class-pattern is a hack, but is not related to the mf1 vs mf2 discussion, is what I meant, I think
# barnabywalters ah, okay
# barnabywalters what exactly did you mean by 'orthogonal'? I understand it has something to do with separation of concerns, but I wasn't quite sure how it applied here
# singpolyma 'orthogonal' =~ 'perpendicular', that is, "Sure, that problem may touch what we're talking about at a point, but it is not really part of the
# singpolyma thing we're really talking about."
# barnabywalters ah, sure, I see what you mean :)
# barnabywalters I thought it might be some CS thing I didn't understand :)
# singpolyma It's probably an idiom I picked up from my mathier friends :)
# barnabywalters I was aware of the perpendicular meaning, but I found a separate CS meaning which sounded like it might have something to do with mf — I'm just over-complicating again
# singpolyma the CS meaning is sort of derived from the mathier meaning, but a bit harder to porse, yeah
# singpolyma s/porse/parse
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# singpolyma aaronpk: one good tip for trackbacks is to verify that the page actually links to you. or using an anti-spam plugin that does that for you
# singpolyma Yeah, it might be. not everyone does the check, though, for some reason.
# singpolyma right
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aaronpk I found a nice looking ruby gem that seems to encapsulate all that logic https://github.com/AndreasWurm/pingback
# singpolyma looks pingback-only, but it's interesting
# singpolyma trackback is also much easier, so doing it without a library is not a big deal
# singpolyma basically. it's just a POST
# singpolyma form-encoded
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sivy ahoy
# sivy :)
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